Advertising creampies?

[mcalandra]

so some time ago, there were rumors that some of the girls were offering creampies aka BBFS. those rumors were quashed largely in part my management. Here is the question and it is multi -part....
if there are no providers there offering this service why are ads on BP ADVERTISING "cream pie" (do a search and you will find approx 1/2 dozen ads to this effect)? if there are not providers offering this, and there are ads promoting this, why and how have there not been sanctions, or complaints? this is an agency with special privileges (whole thread dedicated to a "contest") they get tons of reviews and frankly, regardless the service, there should be some truth in advertising. lastly, if these services are offered, i would like to know which providers offer it?
REMINDER - i have used this agency and have had many good experiences and a couple bad....i have no axe to grind, just want to bring something to the attention of management and the general population.

Thanks

 

[Julienyc]

so some time ago, there were rumors that some of the girls were offering creampies aka BBFS. those rumors were quashed largely in part my management. Here is the question and it is multi -part....
if there are no providers there offering this service why are ads on BP ADVERTISING "cream pie" (do a search and you will find approx 1/2 dozen ads to this effect)? if there are not providers offering this, and there are ads promoting this, why and how have there not been sanctions, or complaints? this is an agency with special privileges (whole thread dedicated to a "contest") they get tons of reviews and frankly, regardless the service, there should be some truth in advertising. lastly, if these services are offered, i would like to know which providers offer it?
REMINDER - i have used this agency and have had many good experiences and a couple bad....i have no axe to grind, just want to bring something to the attention of management and the general population.

Thanks

We have many ladies most do not give cream pie but in recent weeks we have new ladies that do. I am sure that if you look at our old adds you will not see many Cream Pie offers. The ladies that offer cream pie are Claudia, Roxanna, (Raina sometimes if she feels like it)

 

[earthmover]

Cp?

Why would a provider offer it, or a hobbyist take it up? Regardless of how great a fantasy it is, or how it may look in porn [where both parties are rigorously tested for STDs], it's extremely high risk in the real world, even more so in the hobby where the people don't really know each other well.

I know my points may seem obvious, but I'm really surprised at the lack of critical comment here.

 

[Waterclone]

Why would a provider offer it, or a hobbyist take it up? Regardless of how great a fantasy it is, or how it may look in porn [where both parties are rigorously tested for STDs], it's extremely high risk in the real world, even more so in the hobby where the people don't really know each other well.

I know my points may seem obvious, but I'm really surprised at the lack of critical comment here.

Why would a provider offer it? To make more money, of course.

Why would a hobbyist take it up? Because it feels good, of course.

Your post could just as easily been applied to BBBJ, or DATY. It's higher risk than covered, and even more so in the hobby than the real world.

Hell. Some guys who just get hand jobs at massage parlors can't conceive of how the rest of us can take the risk of FS.

Every single one of us in this hobby is choosing pleasure or money over safety. ALL OF US. After that, it's just a matter of degree.

Personally, I think there should be a lack of critical comment. Such comments are hypocritical. We are all adults and we all choose the level of risk/reward with which we are comfortable.

If you want to be critical about something, be critical about someone's performance, or attitude during a session. That's what this site is about. It is not about being judgmental over the choices of others.

 

[ReelNYC]

Why would a provider offer it? To make more money, of course.

Why would a hobbyist take it up? Because it feels good, of course.

Your post could just as easily been applied to BBBJ, or DATY. It's higher risk than covered, and even more so in the hobby than the real world.

Hell. Some guys who just get hand jobs at massage parlors can't conceive of how the rest of us can take the risk of FS.

Every single one of us in this hobby is choosing pleasure or money over safety. ALL OF US. After that, it's just a matter of degree.

Personally, I think there should be a lack of critical comment. Such comments are hypocritical. We are all adults and we all choose the level of risk/reward with which we are comfortable.

If you want to be critical about something, be critical about someone's performance, or attitude during a session. That's what this site is about. It is not about being judgmental over the choices of others.

It's not hypocritical at all!

All hobbying is NOT equal ... it's a matter of probability of exposure and degree of severity in consequence.

HIV has higher concentration in vaginal fluids and semen than it does in saliva ... bbfs is much more likely to transmit HIV than bbbj would.

That is not to say that bbbj doesn't have a risk factor ... but the risk factor for life-ending illness is lower than bbfs, but bbbj does have an elevated risk factor for other, curable, STD's, like herpes or the clap.

When it comes to hobbying and bbfs ... don't forget that the providers are f**king and b**wing at least 30 guys a week (at least 1,600 guys/year) ... so ... multiply the already high bbfs risk factor by all of those unknown quantities.

So don't dismiss someone's criticism out of hand to try and justify your behavior. When providers offer bbfs, they put all hobbyists at an elevated risk ... epidemics start with one person who doesn't give a s**t.

 

[ReelNYC]

That is not to say that bbbj doesn't have a risk factor ... but the risk factor for life-ending illness is lower than bbfs, but bbbj does have an elevated risk factor for other, curable, STD's, like herpes or the clap.

Of course, herpes is not curable ... but they do make antivirus meds to shorten outbreaks.

 

[puffin]

This conversational thread will be more effective at getting people riled up than it will be for educating people. Bare back is risky yet adults do a lot of risky stuff. I would imagine that if one is already positive, then one might figure it's no great incremental risk. Yes I am aware that risks would still exist in contracting novel strains of the virus or opportunistic infections. I wonder what would the creampie surcharge be? Would there be other requirements similar to what porn stars go through?

 

[Waterclone]

it's a matter of probability of exposure and degree of severity in consequence.

That was my point. I find it hypocritical to criticize someone for choosing risky behavior. We all make our own choices and live with the consequences. Anyone who fucks people for money has no right to take a "holier than thou" attitude simply because the elevated risk that they choose is lower than someone elses choice of risk.

HIV has higher concentration in vaginal fluids and semen than it does in saliva ... bbfs is much more likely to transmit HIV than bbbj would.

No one is saying the risks are the same. But you yourself point out that there is a high concentration of HIV in semen and vaginal fluids, so that hardly helps the argument that BBBJ is safe. Nor DATY. It's all risky behavior. Especially if people brushed their teeth or flossed before an appointment.

When it comes to hobbying and bbfs ... don't forget that the providers are f**king and b**wing at least 30 guys a week (at least 1,600 guys/year) ...

Wow. That's awesome. I didn't know we were allowed to make up statistics to try to prove a point. Dude. Even the things that you say that may be correct are losing credibility now.

So don't dismiss someone's criticism out of hand to try and justify your behavior. When providers offer bbfs, they put all hobbyists at an elevated risk ... epidemics start with one person who doesn't give a s**t.

Justify my behavior???? The only behavior I am guilty of is speaking out against hypocrisy. You have no knowledge of me or the activities I engage in. There you go, making shit up again. I don't have to engage in BBFS to hate the bullshit that comes up every time it is mentioned.

Some people want it, some people offer it. It's as simple as that. You are NEVER going to stop it from happening.

If we, as a community, get our heads out of our asses and let the topic be discussed without trying to shame people for bringing it up, then we will all benefit. Those who want it will know where to get it, and those who don't will know who to avoid.

However, by attacking everyone who ever brings it up we force it to be completely hidden, which means you will never know which of the girls that you are fucking engage in it.

I am not a proponent of BBFS. Nor am I an opponent of it. That is not my point. My point is that we are the last fucking people who should be judgmental if someone else chooses a risky behavior for the reward of pleasure.

 

[blongster]

The reason why boards like this are very valuable is the free exchange of information and ideas. I agree with Waterclone that everyone should leave their judgements at the door.

I dont like when people post vague statements about disease risk as if they are fact. If you want true facts go to sites like www.medhelp.org. Dr. Handsfield is one of the leading researchers on STD/HIV.

As well, the other reason these sites are valuable is that both provider and customer can somewhat prescreen each other. If a lady is well reviewed you know what you are getting and a lady can judge by the posts of the customer what they are about.

And most pros have regular repeats so the calculations of reelnyc's is a bit skewed in my opinion.

 

[billyS]

Never fails, another good BBFS thread ruined by having it degenerate into an argument on STD's and HIV.

What I would be curious about would be how have the bookings of Claudia, Roxanna, and Raina been affected by Julie coming out and naming them the cream pie girls.

 

[nabbeun]

im sure they are way up. guys that go covered wont be worried much. guys that want bb will flock in...

 

[fortydog]

Never fails, another good BBFS thread ruined by having it degenerate into an argument on STD's and HIV....

Isn't that the only real issue about BBFS? I guess pregnancy could be an issue, but still....

 

[donquixote04]

... I didn't know we were allowed to make up statistics to try to prove a point. ...

Get with it, water. After all, 72.8 percent of statistics used in these sort of arguments are just made up on the spot.

 

[mcalandra]

a few comments

first of all...donquixote....looll....that was a brilliant response. i actually did laugh out loud.

next....dont take this the wrong way....but to the IDIOTS that criticize BBFS, the guys that made comments that put down BBFS providers and those that partake....you just cost yourself some valuable information and did not THINK....therefore you are idiots and should shut up about BBFS discussions. Thank you Julie for disclosing who did offer the service.

There are MANY that want BBFS and a few that provide it. I am NEITHER ONE of those....HOWEVER, i am a HUGE fan of information. And as a person who has utilized the services of JEWELSOFNEWYORK frequently, i want to KNOW who provides certain higher risk services so i can make decisions about who i want to see with a LITTLE MORE information than i had BEFORE my question and the response from julie.....

By making comments attacking the act of BBFS with service providers, you potentially caused a number of providers that offer this service to go "underground even further" and rethink adding to the discussion. Furthermore, if joe smith, was a hobbyist and you read his ads, and liked to visit girls he reviewed, and then he reviewed a girl he did BBFS with, you MIGHT NOT want to follow his reviews in the future....right????

My point is simple.....it is DUMB to presume anything from a couple posts on a mongering board. It is SMART to try to get as MUCH information about a situation as possible. That does not mean you are eliminating risk, but it DEFINATELY helps with the "low hanging fruit". I want to know who does BBFS, both providers and hobbyists so I can AVOID contact with them if possible.

 

[Waterclone]

Get with it, water. After all, 72.8 percent of statistics used in these sort of arguments are just made up on the spot.

Did you know that 93.4% of people will believe anything you say if you add in a meaningless statistic?

 

[Sensei58]

If anyone is interested, the best banana cream pies are sold In Carlos's bakery in Hoboken, NJ.

 

[ReelNYC]

first of all...donquixote....looll....that was a brilliant response. i actually did laugh out loud.

next....dont take this the wrong way....but to the IDIOTS that criticize BBFS, the guys that made comments that put down BBFS providers and those that partake....you just cost yourself some valuable information and did not THINK....therefore you are idiots and should shut up about BBFS discussions. Thank you Julie for disclosing who did offer the service.

There are MANY that want BBFS and a few that provide it. I am NEITHER ONE of those....HOWEVER, i am a HUGE fan of information. And as a person who has utilized the services of JEWELSOFNEWYORK frequently, i want to KNOW who provides certain higher risk services so i can make decisions about who i want to see with a LITTLE MORE information than i had BEFORE my question and the response from julie.....

By making comments attacking the act of BBFS with service providers, you potentially caused a number of providers that offer this service to go "underground even further" and rethink adding to the discussion. Furthermore, if joe smith, was a hobbyist and you read his ads, and liked to visit girls he reviewed, and then he reviewed a girl he did BBFS with, you MIGHT NOT want to follow his reviews in the future....right????

My point is simple.....it is DUMB to presume anything from a couple posts on a mongering board. It is SMART to try to get as MUCH information about a situation as possible. That does not mean you are eliminating risk, but it DEFINATELY helps with the "low hanging fruit". I want to know who does BBFS, both providers and hobbyists so I can AVOID contact with them if possible.

Ok ... I'm going to say this once ... if you're so into "information", then it's probably not a good idea to call people "idiots" and tell them to "shut up" about bbfs discussions, simply because they disagree with the practice. No one was disagreeing with having a discussion about bbfs ... but someone as intellgent as yourself ought to recognize that if you want to have a discussion, there are going to be differing viewpoints, and the topic of bbfs is going to be a lightning rod ... just because you started the thread in a public forum to do your own personal recon doesn't mean you're going to like everyone's opinion ... but you have to respect it when they respond with an opinion that doesn't mirror yours.

The irony is that the very posts that you've lashed out against seem to share your opinion, but you call people "idiots" and try to bully them into silence because they're spoiling your fun.

And about "making up statistics" ... these are approximations. Take a look at when Betty posts her schedule ... and I don't have anything against her ... this is just an example ... She has time slots open from 10am to midnight ... that's 13 hours ... at least 13 open times for appointments a day. Even if she only fills half of them, how many guys does that make? What do you think they're doing? Playing Scrabble?

Now, what business model do you think other providers follow? Do you think they're just sitting on the couch watching All My Children, waiting for you to show up??? Do you think that their business day is over because you came and left???

Even with repeat cusomers ... do you think those guys were abstinent between appointments? The risk resets itself each time.

Maybe some will only book 4 clients a day ... maybe some will have 2 clients ... maybe some will have 10 clients... it's a business, and since they don't publish an annual report, you can only manage the risk by approximation.

I would hardly call that a meaningless statistic ... and ANY doctor will tell you that bbfs has the next highest risk factor, in terms of sexual activity, for transmission of HIV next to bb anal.

And to WC ... of course you distorted what I wrote ... I NEVER said that bbbj was safe!!! Did you actually read what I wrote??? ... I said that bbfs is more likely to transmit HIV than bbbj would.

 

[Troutman]

Get with it, water. After all, 72.8 percent of statistics used in these sort of arguments are just made up on the spot.

And the other half are just bullshit.

 

[ReelNYC]

The only behavior I am guilty of is speaking out against hypocrisy ... However, by attacking everyone who ever brings it up ...

No one was attacking "everyone who brings it up" ... I never said "X is a bad guy because he does bbfs with escorts" ... or ... "Z should be put in jail because she offers bbfs."

No one said anything even close to that.

You, and Calandra, are the ones who attack anyone who disagrees with the practice of bbfs with providers, as a concept.

And Earthmover didn't attack anyone either ... he never attacked anyone's character ... he was just stating a general point ... but you jumped all over him, didn't you? ... and that's because you can't take it when people offer differing opinions ... you even said it by writing that "I think there should be a lack of critical comment" ... WHY? ... Why shouldn't anyone be allowed to critical of a practice in an open forum???

That is the real hypocrisy ... to claim that you want information, but then launch personal attacks on anyone who says something about the "real world" risks, as Earthmover put it.

Yes, it's all risky behavior ... but, once again, the risks aren't equal. Within the universe of risky behaviors, some risky behaviors are more risky than others, and anyone should be allowed to point that fact out.

And the canard, that providers and customers are going to go "underground" simply because someone said that bbfs has a higher risk than bbbj, is completely rediculous!

Do you have any statistics to support that, or are you making stuff up?

 

[Waterclone]

And about "making up statistics" ... these are approximations. Take a look at when Betty posts her schedule ... and I don't have anything against her ... this is just an example ... She has time slots open from 10am to midnight ... that's 13 hours ... at least 13 open times for appointments a day. Even if she only fills half of them, how many guys does that make? What do you think they're doing? Playing Scrabble?

LMAO. You chose a sample size of 1 to come up with your statistic. That's even better. You must have worked for the Bush administration. That's spectacular. You are losing even more credibility with every post.

Maybe some will only book 4 clients a day ... maybe some will have 2 clients ... maybe some will have 10 clients... it's a business, and since they don't publish an annual report, you can only manage the risk by approximation.

So to be clear, you "approximated" an entire industry by taking the provider that you could find with the most available timeslots and assume that she had a constant flow of business taking up about half of her availability.

You know what this shows?

1. Your argument isn't strong enough to stand with real information, so you make shit up.
2. You have no clue how this business works. Either for independents or brothel girls.
3. When you don't know something, rather than try to find out, you think the only choice is to guess.
4. You can't count. 10 to midnight isn't 13. Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that you are giving Betty an hour for rest and meals.

Here. Let me help you a little.

Different girls see different numbers of clients. Most independent girls that I know see, at most 2 or 3 clients in a day. They leave plenty of buffer time between clients, and they don't work every day. The independent girls that I know probably average between 5 and 8 clients a week . I am basing this on my conversations and observations of probably 30 or so girls over 7 years. Some of whom I was a regular client, some of whom I was never a client, just a friend. I still don't say that this is a valid statistic. 30 is way to small a sample size as well, but it's a damned site better than the 1 web site that you visited.

I am using independent girls here because you chose Betty for your example. When a girl says she is available from 10 to Midnight, she is not planning on working constantly. Traveling girls often say "I'll be in New York the 13th through the 15th". Do you think that means they have 72 time slots available? It means that you can schedule with them during that period. It doesn't mean they will be available for the entire time.

If you want to inflate your numbers for how many clients a girl sleeps with, at least be smart about it. Choose a brothel girl, because they do have a higher volume of clients per day. And you don't have to guess wildly. Try to investigate and get real facts, rather than make shit up, or in your words "approximate." There are tons of people on this board from the supply side. Try asking. We have girls who work at brothels. Girls who used to. Madames and pimps. Not to mention a bunch of guys who have been communicating with these people for years.

Of course, actual data might not back up your assertions, so maybe you are better making stuff up.