2019 Yankees

[billyS]

Davis Ortiz FAILED a test in 2003 and he is getting in without any doubt!

Great point about the failed drug test.
What I find interesting is that in two years both ARod and Big Pappi will be eligible.
So how are the writers going to justify voting for Ortiz who not only failed the same drug test as Arod but has the obvious carreer path of a user?
This will make for great debates

 

[billyS]

I think the bar was lowered by voting in Baines. Don't get wrong I always liked him as a player but he is not an all time great.
I actually think a better case can be made for Dick Allen. His slash line was better than Baines's and other stats per year ( Baines played 7 more years than Allen) are better. Allen averaged 33 homers and 104 rbi over 162 games slash line of .292/.378/.534. Baines averaged 22 homers and 93 rbi with a slash line of .288/.346/.465. Baines had 5 All Star selections in 22 years.
Plus Allen won a ROY and MVP and was a 7 time All Star in 15 seasons. In his prime, especially his White Sox years he was considered one of if not the most dangerous hitter in baseball.
Baines won none of those awards and was never thought of in the elite category at any time in his career.
So who is really the HOF?
It's really just a popularity contest sometimes

 

[lightweight]

Pretty sure he only failed a test once. That's pretty much all the evidence we have haha

Isnt that enough?

 

[lightweight]

I’ve always said once Ortiz gets in the writers can stop being hypocrites and put them all in.

Wigs, I agree with you. Put them all in, or non. I am with you. Albert Belle should be in so should Gil Hodges. Jeff Kent should get in.

 

[lightweight]

If Donnie played longer, he'd definitely would be a HOFer.

I just think Andy deserves a look. His post season numbers don't lie.
If he doesn't get in because of the steroid thing. I respect that.

Of coarse, I agree if Mattingly played longer, no doubt he would have the numbers.

 

[lightweight]

Hahaha no my name is not Harold. To be completely clear, I do not think baines is deserving of the hall of fame. However, I think he is equally as deserving as others who previously got in. So in a perfect world, no. In this world? Yes, he belongs.

For those knocking pettitte: does it make a difference to you that pettitte took hgh simply to recover from injury quicker? He didn't take it to perform better like a hitter would. His stats didn't balloon after the fact. His purpose was purely injury related. That being said, I think the Bernie Williams argument is perfectly applied. Very good players, but not Hof worthy.
Buttttt the same can be said for baines, so shouldn't pettitte and Bernie (in theory) have a good shot if baines is in?

2 wrongs dont make a right. So because These writers made a bad move putting Baines in, should affect their votes on other players.

 

[zeeman631]

2 wrongs dont make a right. So because These writers made a bad move putting Baines in, should affect their votes on other players.

Not a matter of making it right, but making it fair.

 

[lightweight]

If just because Baines got in,then other similar players should get in? You would have a 1000 more players that then should get in.

 

[Mr. Wiggley]

Not a matter of making it right, but making it fair.

Some might argue Fred McGriff was a better player and had he stuck around to hit 7 more homers he would be in instead of passed over.
It’s all very subjective with the veterans committee I remember the arguments against Phil Rizzuto until the vets voters got basically stacked in his favor.

 

[NINE-LIVES]

Kent should DEF be in the HOF. Problem is he was such a dick and HATED by reporters and writers.

 

[hardndslick]

2 wrongs dont make a right. So because These writers made a bad move putting Baines in, should affect their votes on other players.

The writers didn't put him in. It was the cronie committee led by Tony Larussa and the white sox owner. They put in who they think the writers dropped the ball on. I think they put Lee Smith in too. I may be wrong on that though.

Its all bunch of bullshit anyway.
Most people don't give a fuck who's in or not.

 

[lightweight]

The writers didn't put him in. It was the cronie committee led by Tony Larussa and the white sox owner. They put in who they think the writers dropped the ball on. I think they put Lee Smith in too. I may be wrong on that though.

Its all bunch of bullshit anyway.
Most people don't give a fuck who's in or not.

I hear you and agree. It does make for good discussions though.

 

[Mr. Wiggley]

I hear you and agree. It does make for good discussions though.

Must have read my mind.
Always fun to debate as long as guys keep their tempers in check

 

[NINE-LIVES]

Yanks still in on Machado, is he coming?? Interesting to see how this plays out. Its almost February and top 2 free agents aren't signed, really top 4. Machado, Harper, Kimbrel, Keuchel

 

[hardndslick]

Yanks still in on Machado, is he coming?? Interesting to see how this plays out. Its almost February and top 2 free agents aren't signed, really top 4. Machado, Harper, Kimbrel, Keuchel

I'd pass

 

[joeyboy]

what about Keuchel? should yanks go for him?

 

[zeeman631]

Yanks still in on Machado, is he coming?? Interesting to see how this plays out. Its almost February and top 2 free agents aren't signed, really top 4. Machado, Harper, Kimbrel, Keuchel

Not unless the price drops drastically.

what about Keuchel? should yanks go for him?

Not unless he's cheap. So not happening lol

 

[joeyboy]

Not unless the price drops drastically.

Not unless he's cheap. So not happening lol

read he is looking for a 5 year deal

 

[hardndslick]

what about Keuchel? should yanks go for him?

He hasn't been great lately. Not worth what he's looking for.
He wants a long term deal for big money.
He probably stays in Houston.

I don't think they even brought him in to feel him out.

The rotation is probably set.
They also have the three kids. Monty, German and Johnny lasagna to fill the back end when guys breakdown or fail.

 

[Sophia Belle]

I love baseball - I tend to play catcher