On the topic of preferred, aka grandfathered, session rates...

[Thorn]

So, what do providers and clients think about this?

I will be candid, I don't think well of them. I totally get that things rise in price, and understand raising them. I further understand clients not wanting to be affected, and providers wanting to reward loyal returning customers for that loyalty.

What I can't articulate to myself, and haven't found anyone yet that can change my mind about it [though I remain open to attempts to do so] is why I, or anyone else, should endure paying more for the precise sames services someone else is paying the same person less for receiving. I can't get past the "chump factor" it lays on me.

I'll pay a one time fee for taking me on as a new client. As a compromise I might consider an extension of that to two or three sessions, though that is still an issue so I'd only do so with an exceptional provider. However, while I don't put it on anyone else to feel the same, I won't subject myself to paying more to get less, or the same, as others paying a smaller fee for the privilege. That isn't my idea of the workings of an educated consumer.

So, for me, if a provider is raising rates either do it across the board or, after a brief period of a "new client fee", reduce me to the preferred loyalty [aka, grandfathered] rate.

 

[pokler]

So, what do providers and clients think about this?

I will be candid, I don't think well of them. I totally get that things rise in price, and understand raising them. I further understand clients not wanting to be affected, and providers wanting to reward loyal returning customers for that loyalty.

What I can't articulate to myself, and haven't found anyone yet that can change my mind about it [though I remain open to attempts to do so] is why I, or anyone else, should endure paying more for the precise sames services someone else is paying the same person less for receiving. I can't get past the "chump factor" it lays on me.

I'll pay a one time fee for taking me on as a new client. As a compromise I might consider an extension of that to two or three sessions, though that is still an issue so I'd only do so with an exceptional provider. However, while I don't put it on anyone else to feel the same, I won't subject myself to paying more to get less, or the same, as others paying a smaller fee for the privilege. That isn't my idea of the workings of an educated consumer.

So, for me, if a provider is raising rates either do it across the board or, after a brief period of a "new client fee", reduce me to the preferred loyalty [aka, grandfathered] rate.

If i find a girl I like .. ( the latest being Maya of AS) I'll book multi hour sessions a few times a month. So I may lay out $1500 over a month. So unless you are laying out the same over past 30 days then you are not paying the same , you are paying less on the whole. Even tho we pay the same hourly rate I am more valuable to her. As such if she raises her rate and agrees grandfather me into the old rate but charge you the new rate it makes perfect sense.
After all you are just a casual client booking a hour a month or maybe twice a month. But I am a bigger client putting multiples more $ in her coffers than you . What's so hard to grasp about that ?

 

[Bricktop]

So, what do providers and clients think about this?

I will be candid, I don't think well of them. I totally get that things rise in price, and understand raising them. I further understand clients not wanting to be affected, and providers wanting to reward loyal returning customers for that loyalty.

What I can't articulate to myself, and haven't found anyone yet that can change my mind about it [though I remain open to attempts to do so] is why I, or anyone else, should endure paying more for the precise sames services someone else is paying the same person less for receiving. I can't get past the "chump factor" it lays on me.

I'll pay a one time fee for taking me on as a new client. As a compromise I might consider an extension of that to two or three sessions, though that is still an issue so I'd only do so with an exceptional provider. However, while I don't put it on anyone else to feel the same, I won't subject myself to paying more to get less, or the same, as others paying a smaller fee for the privilege. That isn't my idea of the workings of an educated consumer.

So, for me, if a provider is raising rates either do it across the board or, after a brief period of a "new client fee", reduce me to the preferred loyalty [aka, grandfathered] rate.

If you are a fairly regular customer you should be good. Especially with indys. Spas might increase some over time. I think the sweet spot is Indy’s on the plateau that know the value of good customers. Hot IG girls in 20s will suck your pocket dry. You are day old bread to them.

 

[trader1]

If you are a fairly regular customer you should be good. Especially with indys. Spas might increase some over time. I think the sweet spot is Indy’s on the plateau that know the value of good customers. Hot IG girls in 20s will suck your pocket dry. You are day old bread to them.

This is true, for the smart ones, with good business models.. imho

Is this the main source of income for the gal, a side gig, is it more then just sex, intimacy, Long term friendships? Would think all this needs to be taken into account

Used to see a gal in Vegas several times a year.. the agreement was very reasonable.. find out her rates doubled - asked if we could grandfather in something in the middle, in a most respectful way.. Was told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.. I was ever so slightly offended at first, but realize of course it’s her loss..

 

[Bricktop]

This is true, for the smart ones, with good business models.. imho

Is this the main source of income for the gal, a side gig, is it more then just sex, intimacy, Long term friendships? Would think all this needs to be taken into account

Used to see a gal in Vegas several times a year.. the agreement was very reasonable.. find out her rates doubled - asked if we could grandfather in something in the middle, in a most respectful way.. Was told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.. I was ever so slightly offended at first, but realize of course it’s her loss..

Had a Hot Peruvian that was 200 in an Airbnb later got a place in City was now 400 no GF. Now on IG asked when she come back to NY she gave me some FMTY bullshit. Prime example. Gotta find them early on the pussy tastes like Pepsi cola

 

[Itswhatever2]

So you should get the same rate as me who spends 2k a month with my atf, what makes you so special?
what Pokler said is all that needs to be said on this topic. But I will add a little.
Why should you be grandfathered? Are you a regular? Have you seen her weekly, monthly, send her gifts when you can’t meet up to make sure she is paid well? That is what regulars do which is why providers market towards having regulars instead of ones and dones.
I give my atf about 5-600 a week and she went up by 200 this last year. Of course, she grandfathered me in. I am an easy 2k a month why would she mess that up?
Sounds like you want cheap rates because you are in your feelings about her long lasting clients who actually help her sustain her lifestyle. “Chump factor” why are you even thinking like this. Sounds very insecure and entitled. Maybe she didn’t grandfather you because she feels your vibe isn’t good at all.
Good luck and Stay safe!

So, what do providers and clients think about this?

I will be candid, I don't think well of them. I totally get that things rise in price, and understand raising them. I further understand clients not wanting to be affected, and providers wanting to reward loyal returning customers for that loyalty.

What I can't articulate to myself, and haven't found anyone yet that can change my mind about it [though I remain open to attempts to do so] is why I, or anyone else, should endure paying more for the precise sames services someone else is paying the same person less for receiving. I can't get past the "chump factor" it lays on me.

I'll pay a one time fee for taking me on as a new client. As a compromise I might consider an extension of that to two or three sessions, though that is still an issue so I'd only do so with an exceptional provider. However, while I don't put it on anyone else to feel the same, I won't subject myself to paying more to get less, or the same, as others paying a smaller fee for the privilege. That isn't my idea of the workings of an educated consumer.

So, for me, if a provider is raising rates either do it across the board or, after a brief period of a "new client fee", reduce me to the preferred loyalty [aka, grandfathered] rate.

 

[Unown]

As with any service there will always be a tradeoff calculation. Does the provider raise rates and risk losing customers or do they keep the rate the same for preferred customers and charge higher rates for new ones? Having been in a business where I set my own rate I have been faced with this many times. When I had returning customers that I really enjoyed working with, I would tend to quote a lower rate. New customers always got my current rate. And if I thought the customer was going to be difficult I would quote a higher rate.

I am sure providers in this field do the same thing and if they ask for a higher rate they probably already took the step of being prepared to lose you as a client.

That being said. My employer gives me a raise every year and a performance bonus. Is it unreasonable for me to behave any differently being the employer of some services? And on some occasions, I have provided increases and bonuses. But like an employer, if the employee demands too much money, then it is time for both parties to part ways.

There is no right or wrong answer here. It is whatever the client and provider agree to. If the provider does not yield on price then they are willing to lose you as a customer and if the client is not willing to meet the price than you are willing to lose them as a provider.

 

[Tommyleenyc]

If i find a girl I like .. ( the latest being Maya of AS) I'll book multi hour sessions a few times a month. So I may lay out $1500 over a month. So unless you are laying out the same over past 30 days then you are not paying the same , you are paying less on the whole. Even tho we pay the same hourly rate I am more valuable to her. As such if she raises her rate and agrees grandfather me into the old rate but charge you the new rate it makes perfect sense.
After all you are just a casual client booking a hour a month or maybe twice a month. But I am a bigger client putting multiples more $ in her coffers than you . What's so hard to grasp about that ?

This is spot on. It's like running any business or managing employees. Think of them as entrepreneurs, the only metric that counts is how does she maximize the total number of dollars per month while taking into account the price elasticity of demand. It's called dynamic pricing in business. You price according to the customer, competition, market location, duration, etc to maximize your revenue yield. It's the same thing managing employees. Management's goal is to figure out what's the least amount of dollars they have to pay employees and still get them to stay.

I don't begrudge a lady for pricing out of my comfort zone. It's a free market. Price is what you paid, value is what you get!

 

[Monty_monty]

So, what do providers and clients think about this?

I will be candid, I don't think well of them. I totally get that things rise in price, and understand raising them. I further understand clients not wanting to be affected, and providers wanting to reward loyal returning customers for that loyalty.

What I can't articulate to myself, and haven't found anyone yet that can change my mind about it [though I remain open to attempts to do so] is why I, or anyone else, should endure paying more for the precise sames services someone else is paying the same person less for receiving. I can't get past the "chump factor" it lays on me.

I'll pay a one time fee for taking me on as a new client. As a compromise I might consider an extension of that to two or three sessions, though that is still an issue so I'd only do so with an exceptional provider. However, while I don't put it on anyone else to feel the same, I won't subject myself to paying more to get less, or the same, as others paying a smaller fee for the privilege. That isn't my idea of the workings of an educated consumer.

So, for me, if a provider is raising rates either do it across the board or, after a brief period of a "new client fee", reduce me to the preferred loyalty [aka, grandfathered] rate.

It might not be grandfathering prices so much as, "frequent flyer" mile discounts.

I run my own service business [corp to corp, no retail] and i definitely charge my bigger/older clients less "per hour", but also do the most work for them, billing often over 60 hours a week... and then i have the clients that if I'm lucky bill 2 hours a year and those hours are far more burdensome in paperwork than the older/bigger clients

 

[Uniquelyme]

So you should get the same rate as me who spends 2k a month with my atf, what makes you so special?
what Pokler said is all that needs to be said on this topic. But I will add a little.
Why should you be grandfathered? Are you a regular? Have you seen her weekly, monthly, send her gifts when you can’t meet up to make sure she is paid well? That is what regulars do which is why providers market towards having regulars instead of ones and dones.
I give my atf about 5-600 a week and she went up by 200 this last year. Of course, she grandfathered me in. I am an easy 2k a month why would she mess that up?
Sounds like you want cheap rates because you are in your feelings about her long lasting clients who actually help her sustain her lifestyle. “Chump factor” why are you even thinking like this. Sounds very insecure and entitled. Maybe she didn’t grandfather you because she feels your vibe isn’t good at all.
Good luck and Stay safe!

I will agree with @pokler which is rare but I agree with him.

However you saying @Thorn is in his feelings and a chump factor. When you are simping and sending gifts to an escort is kinda crazy. I agree those who spend money should be grandfathered in. However you sir are simping.

 

[vad1]

So, what do providers and clients think about this?

I will be candid, I don't think well of them. I totally get that things rise in price, and understand raising them. I further understand clients not wanting to be affected, and providers wanting to reward loyal returning customers for that loyalty.

What I can't articulate to myself, and haven't found anyone yet that can change my mind about it [though I remain open to attempts to do so] is why I, or anyone else, should endure paying more for the precise sames services someone else is paying the same person less for receiving. I can't get past the "chump factor" it lays on me.

I'll pay a one time fee for taking me on as a new client. As a compromise I might consider an extension of that to two or three sessions, though that is still an issue so I'd only do so with an exceptional provider. However, while I don't put it on anyone else to feel the same, I won't subject myself to paying more to get less, or the same, as others paying a smaller fee for the privilege. That isn't my idea of the workings of an educated consumer.

So, for me, if a provider is raising rates either do it across the board or, after a brief period of a "new client fee", reduce me to the preferred loyalty [aka, grandfathered] rate.

Of course, a provider can charge whatever she wants, take it or leave it ... but I think your OP is a little more nuanced?

I'm not sure I fully understand.

So ... @Thorn, you see a provider's ad who just went up from, say, 400 to 500, for whatever reason. But has "grandfathered" her previous clients at 400. You are not among that elect.

Services are the same. Nothing is added following the price increase.

Why should you, as a new client, be asked to pay more vs. someone established as an existing client - for the same services?

And you "dont think well" of these providers.

The solution that you offer is that the provider reverts back to her former rates, once she sees you a few times?

That can happen, sure.

But why would she? Having paid her "new" rate, are you asking to be "grandfathered" now, turning the clock back, as it were?

Question: roles reversed. You are the established client who has been "grandfathered". Newbies get the new, increased rate for the same services.

How would you feel? Privileged? Deserved as a reward for your loyalty? Neutral, as you are paying the same anyways?

I think your answer to the "role reversal" may put things in perspective.

Hope I have not misunderstood your OP.

V

 

[Thorn]

It might not be grandfathering prices so much as, "frequent flyer" mile discounts.

I run my own service business [corp to corp, no retail] and i definitely charge my bigger/older clients less "per hour", but also do the most work for them, billing often over 60 hours a week... and then i have the clients that if I'm lucky bill 2 hours a year and those hours are far more burdensome in paperwork than the older/bigger clients

Agreed. That’s different.

I’m speaking only to a scenario where an arbitrary date on a calendar and which side one falls on it are the only variables. Rewarding “regulars“ for being a steady source of income, or other variants, don’t enter into what I’m talking about.

 

[Thorn]

Of course, a provider can charge whatever she wants, take it or leave it ... but I think your OP is a little more nuanced?

I'm not sure I fully understand.

So ... @Thorn, you see a provider's ad who just went up from, say, 400 to 500, for whatever reason. But has "grandfathered" her previous clients at 400. You are not among that elect.

Services are the same. Nothing is added following the price increase.

Why should you, as a new client, be asked to pay more vs. someone established as an existing client - for the same services?

And you "dont think well" of these providers.

The solution that you offer is that the provider reverts back to her former rates, once she sees you a few times?

That can happen, sure.

But why would she? Having paid her "new" rate, are you asking to be "grandfathered" now, turning the clock back, as it were?

Question: roles reversed. You are the established client who has been "grandfathered". Newbies get the new, increased rate for the same services.

How would you feel? Privileged? Deserved as a reward for your loyalty? Neutral, as you are paying the same anyways?

I think your answer to the "role reversal" may put things in perspective.

Hope I have not misunderstood your OP.

V

While I see a difference in rewarding regulars who’ve guaranteed an income steam that keeps the business healthy, I don’t think well of tiered pricing that has nothing more involved than an arbitrary point on a calendar and which side of it one falls on. I have nothing against any provider, nor do I think that my having an educated consumer’s desire to be treated fairly, as I see it, gives me a right to cause them to charge anyway but what they think suits their business model. My only play in it is voting with my wallet.

Honest answer to your question, I feel lucky if I’m not a regular and the only reason I am getting the price break is I saw her once or twice on the right side of the arbitrary calendar date, and I think anyone who pays more for being on the other side of it either has a need that outweighs their desire to be treated as an equal or a tiny bit of consumer-self-loathing at work.

As I said, I apply this to ALL service purchases. Situation reversed, I’ve dropped service providers for charging new clients less than me, as an established client. I don’t reward any service provider with my business that charges me more than they charge someone else for precisely the same services. I like myself more than that.

 

[Bricktop]

So you should get the same rate as me who spends 2k a month with my atf, what makes you so special?
what Pokler said is all that needs to be said on this topic. But I will add a little.
Why should you be grandfathered? Are you a regular? Have you seen her weekly, monthly, send her gifts when you can’t meet up to make sure she is paid well? That is what regulars do which is why providers market towards having regulars instead of ones and dones.
I give my atf about 5-600 a week and she went up by 200 this last year. Of course, she grandfathered me in. I am an easy 2k a month why would she mess that up?
Sounds like you want cheap rates because you are in your feelings about her long lasting clients who actually help her sustain her lifestyle. “Chump factor” why are you even thinking like this. Sounds very insecure and entitled. Maybe she didn’t grandfather you because she feels your vibe isn’t good at all.
Good luck and Stay safe!

We all want cheapish rates because if we were all like you the prices would keep going up with no end in sight.

 

[Bricktop]

While I see a difference in rewarding regulars who’ve guaranteed an income steam that keeps the business healthy, I don’t think well of tiered pricing that has nothing more involved than an arbitrary point on a calendar and which side of it one falls on. I have nothing against any provider, nor do I think that my having an educated consumer’s desire to be treated fairly, as I see it, gives me a right to cause them to charge anyway but what they think suits their business model. My only play in it is voting with my wallet.

Honest answer to your question, I feel lucky if I’m not a regular and the only reason I am getting the price break is I saw her once or twice on the right side of the arbitrary calendar date, and I think anyone who pays more for being on the other side of it either has a need that outweighs their desire to be treated as an equal or a tiny bit of consumer-self-loathing at work.

As I said, I apply this to ALL service purchases. Situation reversed, I’ve dropped service providers for charging new clients less than me, as an established client. I don’t reward any service provider with my business that charges me more than they charge someone else for precisely the same services. I like myself more than that.

How would you know? Someone grandfathered way before you came along isn’t sharing this with you.

 

[Sophia Belle]

So, what do providers and clients think about this?

I will be candid, I don't think well of them. I totally get that things rise in price, and understand raising them. I further understand clients not wanting to be affected, and providers wanting to reward loyal returning customers for that loyalty.

What I can't articulate to myself, and haven't found anyone yet that can change my mind about it [though I remain open to attempts to do so] is why I, or anyone else, should endure paying more for the precise sames services someone else is paying the same person less for receiving. I can't get past the "chump factor" it lays on me.

I'll pay a one time fee for taking me on as a new client. As a compromise I might consider an extension of that to two or three sessions, though that is still an issue so I'd only do so with an exceptional provider. However, while I don't put it on anyone else to feel the same, I won't subject myself to paying more to get less, or the same, as others paying a smaller fee for the privilege. That isn't my idea of the workings of an educated consumer.

So, for me, if a provider is raising rates either do it across the board or, after a brief period of a "new client fee", reduce me to the preferred loyalty [aka, grandfathered] rate.

Loyalty and Consistency are highly rewarded. There’s no chump factor. When you put in the time to build a relationship with someone, it changes your perspective. My rates went up 2 years ago because the amount of work I started putting in… on myself and my business. So the people that had been around for years and watched me grow and stuck by me when things weren’t as fabulous, definitely got grandfathered. It’s a two way street.

For you to compare it to being a “Consumer” says everything to me about knowing the difference. If all you’re doing is shopping around, there’s no breaks. Even grocery stores and gas stations offer “loyalty” discounts.

 

[pokler]

Loyalty and Consistency are highly rewarded. There’s no chump factor. When you put in the time to build a relationship with someone, it changes your perspective. My rates went up 2 years ago because the amount of work I started putting in… on myself and my business. So the people that had been around for years and watched me grow and stuck by me when things weren’t as fabulous, definitely got grandfathered. It’s a two way street.

For you to compare it to being a “Consumer” says everything to me about knowing the difference. If all you’re doing is shopping around, there’s no breaks. Even grocery stores and gas stations offer “loyalty” discounts.

For once I'll agree with Sophie ( but she won't know it because she's blocked me for some reason ). Yeah he needs to learn about loyalty .

 

[Thorn]

How would you know? Someone grandfathered way before you came along isn’t sharing this with you.

If you don't know, than you don't know and it doesn't enter into it, but with these boards and sometimes the providers own advertising you do know.

I think it is kind of a regularly understood notion that everyone gets that no one likes to think they are paying more than someone else is for precisely the same thing from precisely the same source as someone else is paying less. So I leave me scratching my head a little when providers actually make it clearly known they are grandfathering some clients. It isn't something I'd advertise.

And, as I have said, if it was because someone was a regular I'd call it that. A discount for being a good customer who provides a steady, reliable, source of business to the provider.

 

[Thorn]

Loyalty and Consistency are highly rewarded. There’s no chump factor. When you put in the time to build a relationship with someone, it changes your perspective. My rates went up 2 years ago because the amount of work I started putting in… on myself and my business. So the people that had been around for years and watched me grow and stuck by me when things weren’t as fabulous, definitely got grandfathered. It’s a two way street.

For you to compare it to being a “Consumer” says everything to me about knowing the difference. If all you’re doing is shopping around, there’s no breaks. Even grocery stores and gas stations offer “loyalty” discounts.

Yes, but again I am being misunderstood. I am NOT talking about REGULARS, or loyalty discounts. That is a different concept. I am not speaking to any scenario where someone actually gives more, either by being a steady income stream, or booking multiple hours all the time, or taking the provider out to dinner when he books an appointment, etc. They're giving more, so if they are offered more in return for that, that's quid pro quo.

I am only talking about the idea that someone gets a price break because they once saw a provider before her price went up. Not that the guy has been seeing her for some time and been a steady source of business for her or some other thing that does make him "value added" to her.

 

[Thorn]

For once I'll agree with Sophie ( but she won't know it because she's blocked me for some reason ). Yeah he needs to learn about loyalty .

I am not talking about loyalty though. Come on folks... If it's me and I am not getting what I am actually talking about across I will try harder, but give me a break and meet me halfway.

Again, NOT NOT NOT talking about clients who do give more, thus that is why they get more. That is quid pro quo. I am talking ONLY those who get a break because they saw a client once on the right side of an arbitrary calendar date.