WOOING YOUR PROVIDER
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I've avoided weighing in on this topic until now. It seems to me that there are two extremes to this issue. At one pole is the client who is aloof, impersonal, unsympathetic, unempathetic -- he shows up (let's allow him to be clean, neat, undiseased, etc.) and says, here's my money, here's my dick, why don't you start sucking it? (Sorry to be so graphic, but it illustrates the point.) At the other end of the scale is the fellow who brings presents to the provider. These can range from flowers, to poems, to candy, to flourless chocolate cakes with raspberry sauce (a little passe, if you go by what the hot chefs are now doing, but what the hell, it's more than 99% of us could do), to SL 500s and country villas. Does the gift giver get different service from the first guy? I certainly hope so. Is it proportional to the cost of the gift? Probably. (Don't tell me that flowers evoke the same response as a car.)
But what's the point? If you offer a lot more $$$ than her normal fee, don't you think that she will act differently towards you? Has anyone tried this? What do you think would happen if you booked two hours with a $400/hr girl and told her you would give her $1500 for those two hours? Would she tell you no? Or would she rev up her imagination and her skills in order to get you to return again and again?
Wooing your provider seems fairly silly and self-delusional. The only time it would have meaning is when she is actually not in the providing game for the money but is looking for a true lover/soul mate. And if you think that is where she's at, then I guess you really should bring her gifts because if you don't, how will she know that you're the ONE?
[Edited by HornDogBuddah on 02-08-2001 at 06:35 PM]
But what's the point? If you offer a lot more $$$ than her normal fee, don't you think that she will act differently towards you? Has anyone tried this? What do you think would happen if you booked two hours with a $400/hr girl and told her you would give her $1500 for those two hours? Would she tell you no? Or would she rev up her imagination and her skills in order to get you to return again and again?
Wooing your provider seems fairly silly and self-delusional. The only time it would have meaning is when she is actually not in the providing game for the money but is looking for a true lover/soul mate. And if you think that is where she's at, then I guess you really should bring her gifts because if you don't, how will she know that you're the ONE?
[Edited by HornDogBuddah on 02-08-2001 at 06:35 PM]
i always tip at the end which is usualy when i pay.....so the girl never knows what i'm going to give. obviously when i see a girl for later dates it might figure into it but on some of those latter sessions i've had the girl decline more $$(a tip) so sometimes the extra $$ don't make a difference....it's rare but it happens.
Originally posted by HornDogBuddah:
i've been meaning to mention that you have an interesting screen name. i've heard of the laughing Buddha, but, until now, not the horny dog Buddha. but, hey, why not!
I've avoided weighing in on this topic until now. It seems to me that there are two extremes to this issue.
well, i, for one, would like to go on the record and say that i'm a moderate in all things. it only seems otherwise when i'm debating with extremists, like justme and wsb.
At one pole is the client who is aloof, impersonal, unsympathetic, unempathetic -- he shows up (let's allow him to be clean, neat, undiseased, etc.) and says, here's my money, here's my dick, why don't you start sucking it? (Sorry to be so graphic, but it illustrates the point.)
no need to apologize. you have described justme and wsb to a 't', as they demonstrated in the "how much caffeine ..." thread. however, i believe that they are never crude or even impolite when with a lady. but, it's clear from their postings that you have accurately described the mindset with which they approach this thing of ours.
At the other end of the scale is the fellow who brings presents to the provider. These can range from flowers, to poems, to candy, to flourless chocolate cakes with raspberry sauce (a little passe, if you go by what the hot chefs are now doing, but what the hell, it's more than 99% of us could do), to SL 500s and country villas. Does the gift giver get different service from the first guy? I certainly hope so.
look, this is really not so complicated. i have a cousin whose father remarried and basically forgot the rest of us existed. in anticipation of one upcoming holiday, she informed the rest of the family that it would be pointless to give him a gift, because he would not be reciprocating. i pointed out to her that THE JOY IS IN THE GIVING. (fast forward to this holiday just past: she announced that she did not want to exchange any gifts, because she did not want to exchange gifts with her husband's family, and therefore [who the eff knows
)
Is it proportional to the cost of the gift? Probably. (Don't tell me that flowers evoke the same response as a car.)
no way would i say otherwise. but, funny thing is, there was a thread on tbd sometime back, in which a number of escorts said they really don't like gifts that are too expensive -- because to accept them would imply they were available for a level of commitment that was not in the cards.
i then outlined what i typically do, and the moaner and groaner that had started the thread said it was perfect, or something like that.
But what's the point? If you offer a lot more $$$ than her normal fee, don't you think that she will act differently towards you? Has anyone tried this? What do you think would happen if you booked two hours with a $400/hr girl and told her you would give her $1500 for those two hours? Would she tell you no? Or would she rev up her imagination and her skills in order to get you to return again and again?
i haven't heard anybody denying that.
Wooing your provider seems fairly silly and self-delusional.
well, being an avid fan of Andrea Bocelli singing opera arias seems silly and self-delusional to me. and, i have a civilian female friend, with a much better ear for music than i, who loves Bocelli but can find every single fault in Pavorotti's breathing (i suspect because Pav is a notorious lech). but, i'm not going to heap contempt on her (same with a woman i know that has 19 cats (she's not really sure how many, actually)).
but, if you go to alt.music.opera on deja.com, and do a search for 'Bocelli', you'll find that every time a Bocelli fan says anything nice about Bocelli, a gang of opera fanatics descend and start flaming with obscene bile. these threads can and do run to 100's of postings.
*i* can't see the point of *that*. what is it about certain people that motivates them to rain on someone else's picnic, not with a drop or two, but with a steady stream of criticism that never ends. why can't they just ignore the Bocelli fans like more emotionally mature posters do?
another poster (here) made mention of how bitter and angry the jag crowd is about UG. unfortunately, i *can* see why the utilitarians are so hard on the 'diplomats', if that is a less controversial term. obviously, they don't want the escorts to get 'uppity' -- not to mention the sour grapes charge because some can enjoy wine that they cannot.
The only time it would have meaning is when she is actually not in the providing game for the money but is looking for a true lover/soul mate. And if you think that is where she's at, then I guess you really should bring her gifts because if you don't, how will she know that you're the ONE?
the only time it would have meaning for *you*. the Grateful Dead don't have meaning for *me*. neither do Seinfeld or Garth Brooks or Britney or Christina. so what? i have no desire to publicly ridicule those for whom these pop icons do have meaning.
if sports fans cheer for certain players, their salaries go up and so do ticket prices to sporting events. same with fans of movie stars. what do we do about it -- launch a crusade against people being fans?
[Edited by guy catelli on 02-10-2001 at 06:44 AM]
i've been meaning to mention that you have an interesting screen name. i've heard of the laughing Buddha, but, until now, not the horny dog Buddha. but, hey, why not!
I've avoided weighing in on this topic until now. It seems to me that there are two extremes to this issue.
well, i, for one, would like to go on the record and say that i'm a moderate in all things. it only seems otherwise when i'm debating with extremists, like justme and wsb.
At one pole is the client who is aloof, impersonal, unsympathetic, unempathetic -- he shows up (let's allow him to be clean, neat, undiseased, etc.) and says, here's my money, here's my dick, why don't you start sucking it? (Sorry to be so graphic, but it illustrates the point.)
no need to apologize. you have described justme and wsb to a 't', as they demonstrated in the "how much caffeine ..." thread. however, i believe that they are never crude or even impolite when with a lady. but, it's clear from their postings that you have accurately described the mindset with which they approach this thing of ours.
At the other end of the scale is the fellow who brings presents to the provider. These can range from flowers, to poems, to candy, to flourless chocolate cakes with raspberry sauce (a little passe, if you go by what the hot chefs are now doing, but what the hell, it's more than 99% of us could do), to SL 500s and country villas. Does the gift giver get different service from the first guy? I certainly hope so.
look, this is really not so complicated. i have a cousin whose father remarried and basically forgot the rest of us existed. in anticipation of one upcoming holiday, she informed the rest of the family that it would be pointless to give him a gift, because he would not be reciprocating. i pointed out to her that THE JOY IS IN THE GIVING. (fast forward to this holiday just past: she announced that she did not want to exchange any gifts, because she did not want to exchange gifts with her husband's family, and therefore [who the eff knows
)Is it proportional to the cost of the gift? Probably. (Don't tell me that flowers evoke the same response as a car.)
no way would i say otherwise. but, funny thing is, there was a thread on tbd sometime back, in which a number of escorts said they really don't like gifts that are too expensive -- because to accept them would imply they were available for a level of commitment that was not in the cards.
i then outlined what i typically do, and the moaner and groaner that had started the thread said it was perfect, or something like that.
But what's the point? If you offer a lot more $$$ than her normal fee, don't you think that she will act differently towards you? Has anyone tried this? What do you think would happen if you booked two hours with a $400/hr girl and told her you would give her $1500 for those two hours? Would she tell you no? Or would she rev up her imagination and her skills in order to get you to return again and again?
i haven't heard anybody denying that.
Wooing your provider seems fairly silly and self-delusional.
well, being an avid fan of Andrea Bocelli singing opera arias seems silly and self-delusional to me. and, i have a civilian female friend, with a much better ear for music than i, who loves Bocelli but can find every single fault in Pavorotti's breathing (i suspect because Pav is a notorious lech
). but, i'm not going to heap contempt on her (same with a woman i know that has 19 cats (she's not really sure how many, actually)).but, if you go to alt.music.opera on deja.com, and do a search for 'Bocelli', you'll find that every time a Bocelli fan says anything nice about Bocelli, a gang of opera fanatics descend and start flaming with obscene bile. these threads can and do run to 100's of postings.
*i* can't see the point of *that*. what is it about certain people that motivates them to rain on someone else's picnic, not with a drop or two, but with a steady stream of criticism that never ends. why can't they just ignore the Bocelli fans like more emotionally mature posters do?
another poster (here) made mention of how bitter and angry the jag crowd is about UG. unfortunately, i *can* see why the utilitarians are so hard on the 'diplomats', if that is a less controversial term. obviously, they don't want the escorts to get 'uppity' -- not to mention the sour grapes charge because some can enjoy wine that they cannot.
The only time it would have meaning is when she is actually not in the providing game for the money but is looking for a true lover/soul mate. And if you think that is where she's at, then I guess you really should bring her gifts because if you don't, how will she know that you're the ONE?
the only time it would have meaning for *you*. the Grateful Dead don't have meaning for *me*. neither do Seinfeld or Garth Brooks or Britney or Christina. so what? i have no desire to publicly ridicule those for whom these pop icons do have meaning.
if sports fans cheer for certain players, their salaries go up and so do ticket prices to sporting events. same with fans of movie stars. what do we do about it -- launch a crusade against people being fans?
[Edited by guy catelli on 02-10-2001 at 06:44 AM]
Well I have been 'lurking' here at Utopia guide for about two weeks and I feel it is time to chime in.
While I may not have as much expereince in this hobby as some of you obviously do, I have enough to know there is one very simple reality.
If you treat a provider as a human being with all the niceties that go alont with it such as beign polite, sensitive, and maybe even a little romantic, then you will be treated better. This is especially true when you are a 'regular' customer.
Here is an example. There was a young lady at a NYC incall establishment that over the course of 1 year I visited with 5 times. The first time was real good, the second better, and so on. I gave a genrouse tip (about 50%) after the first and second visits. The others I brought a little gift such as some flowers or chocalate.
I had read reviews of this lady on JAG at the time that while they said she was good, they did not compare to the expereinces I had with her. Mine were much better.
Now, if you want to call this 'wooing', 'being romantic', or just being a decent human being and treatign the ladies as such as well, that is your perogative. I just know it works for me.
That's my 2 cents.
While I may not have as much expereince in this hobby as some of you obviously do, I have enough to know there is one very simple reality.
If you treat a provider as a human being with all the niceties that go alont with it such as beign polite, sensitive, and maybe even a little romantic, then you will be treated better. This is especially true when you are a 'regular' customer.
Here is an example. There was a young lady at a NYC incall establishment that over the course of 1 year I visited with 5 times. The first time was real good, the second better, and so on. I gave a genrouse tip (about 50%) after the first and second visits. The others I brought a little gift such as some flowers or chocalate.
I had read reviews of this lady on JAG at the time that while they said she was good, they did not compare to the expereinces I had with her. Mine were much better.
Now, if you want to call this 'wooing', 'being romantic', or just being a decent human being and treatign the ladies as such as well, that is your perogative. I just know it works for me.
That's my 2 cents.