Turning $1 into >$20,000 online

Slinky Bender

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PS When you started with your $200, what level tables did you start at? What's the current level of Bankroll vs tables you use?

Personally, the reason why I don't "subscribe" to this theory of "bankroll management" is because it assumes you have this "fund" which is only to be used for play, which you never take anything out of. It sort of assumes there's a situation set up where you are challenging yourself to start with a certain amount and reach a certain "goal". I know I don't play like that. Whenever my bankroll reaches a certain level, I pull money off of the table (i.e. make a withdrawal). one reason is that still don't totally "trust" any of the online gaming sites: not that I think they are "crooked", but who knows when one will think you broke some rule and close your account (didn't one recently strip some huge amount of tournement money away from some guy after he won because they said he had played 2 hands?).

To a large extent, I actually have subscribed to his theory (play 5% or less of your bankroll), but rather than doing it by keeping the bankroll growing and raising the stakes, I do it by keeping the stakes constant and pulling money off the table whenever the stakes I play for fall below 1% of my bankroll. This makes it far less likely that I will turn my initial investmenet into $20,000, but he says one thing in the last sentence of the interview: something along the lines of "I can't gaurantee you'll make $20,000, but i can gaurantee you won't lose more than $1". Well, in my way, it's sort of the same: I'll never "lose" a nickle at this point, because I;ve puled not only my initial investment off of the table, but several times that amount. And it's hard to lose what isn't even in the account.

Perhaps that means I'll never be a real "player" since I'm not trying to "take a shot". Maybe I need to change my tag to "Joey Knish".
 
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slinkybender said:
So, what's the $400 up to now?
Like you, I've withdrawn the $400 many times over, so I'm playing on multiple sites with "their money" and expect to continue to do that for the foreseeable future.
I was "lucky" enough to place highly in two multitable tourneys pretty early on in my online career, and I've generally been pretty conservative regarding the limits I play, so bankroll management hasn't been much of an issue for me overall.
However, I try not to keep too much money in any of the online poker sites, and try to make deposits when a site is offering a clearable bonus, so if I want to keep playing at my chosen limits without dipping into neteller too much, I always have to keep bankroll management principles in mind.
 
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slinkybender said:
PS When you started with your $200, what level tables did you start at? What's the current level of Bankroll vs tables you use?
The first $200 (which I lost), I was playing Party Poker .5/1 limit games mostly at the beginning, as well as $10+1 Sit&Gos (single table tourneys). I think I even moved up to 1/2 limit and some $25NL, which lasted for a few months, but a bad run, and "chasing my losses" caused me to kiss that first $200 goodbye.
With the second $200 I resolved to be more disciplined. .5/1 limit only, and then I'd "take shots" with my winnings only -- low buy-in multitable tourneys, single table Sit&Gos, etc.

Now, I play different limits on different sites, but it's mostly 2/4 or 3/6 limit, 20+2 and 30+3 single and multitable Sit&Gos... the occasional large multitable tourney.
... and I've been known to "take a shot" every now and then with a $100+5 Sit&Go, or a 5/10 Limit game....

Bankroll differs widely from site to site, and depends much on bonus clearing, etc....
 
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for anyone just getting into poker sites online i suggest honing your skills by playing in free tourney's. if you cant make a serious run in one of those tournaments then save your money till you can snatch one of those tables. just my opinion. im just not comfortable with depositing money into online sites yet. maybe ill do $20 and try to turn it into $200 or something. who knows........
 
#9
kcdark said:
for anyone just getting into poker sites online i suggest honing your skills by playing in free tourney's. if you cant make a serious run in one of those tournaments then save your money till you can snatch one of those tables.
I disagree. Playing in a free tournament is a much different game and shouldn't gauge how well you could do in other formats. With nothing to lose, the bad beats happen much more often. Gotta find a format that at least keeps the game honest.
 

Cloud Nine

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aceofclubs26 said:
I disagree. Playing in a free tournament is a much different game and shouldn't gauge how well you could do in other formats. With nothing to lose, the bad beats happen much more often. Gotta find a format that at least keeps the game honest.
No, if you cant take out the fish then you shouldnt be playing. A tight aggressive style works great against loose callers and maniacs.
 

Cloud Nine

I had to open my big mouth.......
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as a matter of fact, its almost always a good idea to play "opposite" of the table. If the the table is super tight and you play loose you can steal lots of blinds and pots.
 
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Cloud Nine said:
No, if you cant take out the fish then you shouldnt be playing. A tight aggressive style works great against loose callers and maniacs.

took the words out of my mouth. if you cant thrive when playing for free then imagine what will happen when your money is on the table.
 
#13
JackT said:
Like you, I've withdrawn the $400 many times over, so I'm playing on multiple sites with "their money" and expect to continue to do that for the foreseeable future.
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I never understood this concept of " I am playing with thier money". No you are not. You are playing with your money. You won it. Its in your chip pile and you can walk away with it. This always seemed the excuse they can use later. I started with 200 but was up to 400 and gave 200 of "their" money back so I was even. No you gave 200 of your money back.

Unless someone wants to try and explain what I am missing.
 

Slinky Bender

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#14
It's the reason hookers are so expensive in Las Vegas:

You've got the winners and the losers:

The losers don't have money for hookers, so who cares?

The winners are paying with "free money" so they don't care about overpaying.
 
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Right, but its not "free money". Its still their money. I came to Vegas with 500 to gamble and I turned it into 4000. Now I have 3500 of "their" or "free money" money to spend. No. You are now going to spend 3500 of your OWN money. I just don't get it.
 
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Cloud Nine said:
as a matter of fact, its almost always a good idea to play "opposite" of the table. If the the table is super tight and you play loose you can steal lots of blinds and pots.
That is one of the first things I learned and I totally agree. But isn't there a difference between a fish who thinks he has a strong hand but really doesn't and someone who constantly enters the freerolls to go all in on the first hand in hopes he accumulates double, triple, etc. everyone else's chip stack? Like I've said other times...I don't claim to be good, but I think there is a difference between playing tight with aggressive players at your table and playing tight with those asses who try and play winner take all the first few hands. I do really well in the freeroll/party point games and yes I attribute it to the fact I play tighter but I still think there is a major difference when you move to cash tournaments.
 
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Daddycool,
I put "their money" in quotes. Yes, it is MY money when I win it. And the money that I lose is now SOMEONE ELSE'S money.
My only point being that I only put in a certain amount into internet poker, and I am continuing to play off of that. I withdrew my original buy-in many times over, and I don't intend to draw money from my bank account ever again for internet poker. You have to admit that the process is a little different than when one takes a trip to the casino, where you bring a certain amount and come home with a certain amount -- the average player doesn't LEAVE WINNINGS in a casino's account for later use....
 
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Daddycool said:
Right, but its not "free money". Its still their money. I came to Vegas with 500 to gamble and I turned it into 4000. Now I have 3500 of "their" or "free money" money to spend. No. You are now going to spend 3500 of your OWN money. I just don't get it.

dude what did you play to turn 500 into 4000?
 

Slinky Bender

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aceofclubs26 said:
That is one of the first things I learned and I totally agree. But isn't there a difference between a fish who thinks he has a strong hand but really doesn't and someone who constantly enters the freerolls to go all in on the first hand in hopes he accumulates double, triple, etc. everyone else's chip stack? Like I've said other times...I don't claim to be good, but I think there is a difference between playing tight with aggressive players at your table and playing tight with those asses who try and play winner take all the first few hands. I do really well in the freeroll/party point games and yes I attribute it to the fact I play tighter but I still think there is a major difference when you move to cash tournaments.
Sometimes I will fold the first three hands no matter what starting hand I get.
 
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