Tokyo Trip Report - Part Four

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Day Four

It's hard to top Miho. Perhaps I should have just asked her to come back for the last two nights of my stay. I should have. I should have!

Day Four was a Friday. Therefore, I was looking forward to the weekend in many respects. I was having a good week in terms of meetings/business. And it appears that I will have various business-related reasons to make return trips to Tokyo -- if all goes well, probably one-to-three three times per year.

Another long-distance contact I made from the U.S. was with an independent escort who is fairly well-known in Tokyo: Sakura, a.k.a. Tokyo Playgirl. I had not heard from her all week. During the day I thought: if it happens, great. If not, it won't ruin my trip.

After my meetings concluded, my colleagues and I went out for dinner and drinks. It turned into: drinks; dinner with drink; followed by more drinking. It was a fun night in Roppongi.

When I returned to my hotel room, I saw an message from Sakura: call me if you are still interested. I was hammered, but thought, why not? I reached Sakura on her cell phone and she said she would be at my room in 30 minutes. And, she was right on time.

Sakura is tall, has a nice body, smooth skin, but a so-so face. Still, I was immediately turned-on. Paid her Y30,000 for one hour and we were in the shower in a flash. Onto the bed for some kissing to LFK to tongue bath to DATY. Although it took awhile for her to get off, Sakura was really into the DATY part. She became all cuddly as she kissed and stroked me.

Our bodies remained intertwined for a bit as we stroked and cuddled. Perhaps I was too used to Miho from the night before. After a while Sakura glanced at the clock, jumped up and said, "Time's up." I immediately told her that I didn't book the appointment for the sole purpose of going down on her. So, she started on me - licking me from top to bottom, although she seemed rushed. Her BBBJ skills were quite good. However, when it came time for the finish, the alcohol was taking its toll. I suggested that we finish with 69 and Sakura provided an excellent BBBJ.

Q: Is Sakura worth booking/seeing?
A: Yes, I have a feeling that she will improve with repeat sessions. However, I like Miho better, although she isn't an escort -- she's a regular girl with a real job and I was lucky enough to meet her when she was involved in my Date Club.

Q: Will I repeat with Sakura?
A: Probably. I'll try to avoid drinking too much next time.

Sakura's website:
http://www.geocities.jp/tokyoplaygirl_s

Day Five

'I took the mission. What the hell else was I gonna do?'
-- Captain Benjamin L. Willard, "Apocalypse Now"

Day Five was a Saturday. That evening I was scheduled to have a date with a J-Girl whom I met on the Internet. We had exchanged messages, pix and chatted via Instant Messenger. If I was smart, I would have slept all day and charged my batteries for the marathon sex session that I was anticipating. Sometimes, I'm quite stupid. I woke-up somewhat early because I still wasn't 100% adjusted to the time difference. I did some shopping and a little bit of sight-seeing/reminiscing. Eventually, I tried to nap, but couldn't sleep.

I met my Internet date at a Starbucks in Marunouchi. The moment that she showed-up, I was really bummed. She has a cute face and big rack, but she is chunkier than her pictures portrayed. And her Internet/website profile stated her body type as "A Few Extra Pounds." She should consult with Miho-chan about her terminology.

I knew that she was short, but her lack of height accentuated her less flattering features. And, when we left Starbucks, she was indecisive as to where we should dine. I had semi-depended upon her to pick a nice restaurant. We ended-up wandering all over Marunouchi as she periodically muttered about the restaurants that interested her.

So, I'm exhausted I'm with a girl that I'm not into, and I am surrounded by dozens of skinnier cute J-Girls parading past me. Eventually, I pressed her into selecting a place. Food was okay. I continued to glance out the window at the J-Girls walking by: my last night in town and I'm stuck with a short chubby girl. Bummer!

I thought: I could cut-and-run, then roll the dice at Motown. But exhaustion and laziness got the best of me. Also, I kept thinking that this girl took a 90-minute train ride from the suburbs to have sex with me. The check came: Y22,000 -- which would have been fine if I had been dining with a cuter girl.

Back at my hotel, we hop into bed. Although the lights are off, I can see that her tight-fitting clothes masked the fact that she was even chubbier than I imagined. Bummer!

She has some points in her favor: very good BBBJ skills, a tight pussy and really likes to talk dirty. I closed my eyes and dreamed of Miho -- which helped me to perform. The next morning it was less than thrilling to wake up and see her naked. Our goodbye was not romantic, but she might be used to that.

Q: Will I repeat with the short chubby J-Girl from the Net?
A: No.

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Post-Trip Conclusions

My love for Tokyo hasn't diminished. If I have another trip, I might try to squeeze-in visits to Yoshiwara and Kabukicho. I love Soaplands, so Yoshiwara is a great neighborhood. And, despite the down-market atmosphere of Kabukicho, I'd like to see if any of my favorite Full Service take-out hostess bars are still in business.

I look forward to my next trip -- if and when that happens. Miho and I have periodically exchanged calls and messages.

There could be other opportunities with some J-Girls with whom I missed connections for that last trip: the struggling model who strayed into nude modeling that I met through my Date Club; and a 25yo skinny OL that I met on the Net.

And, there is also on long-shot: a girl that I met at a Shibuya Image Health Club -- she worked there temporarily when she was in-between jobs and gave me her number. We used to meet once every three months or so. Prior to our first meeting outside the shop I asked, "So, how much are you going to charge me?" She replied, "Charge? No charge. I want to be your sex friend." She is married but she still occasional sends me messages on how she still fantasizes about me and how she wants to get together.

Regarding the issue of limited gaijin access to shops, my opinion is that there are numerous P4P and non-P4P opportunities for those apply initiative. For those guys who live in Tokyo and learn to speak Japanese, they have a gold mine at their disposal. There are a lot of fish in the sea -- you don't have to eat every single one.

On a related subject, here is one view that might spark some controversy: if I could pick any city in Asia for a one-year packaged ex-pat assignment, my top five choices would be:

1. Tokyo
2. Singapore
3. Bangkok
4. Taipei
5. Seoul
 
#2
Thanks man for your report. This stuff is what makes UG a great community for fellow hobbyist. I'm glad you had a great time. Maybe one day. I'll be fortunate enough to make a trip over there. Dormo Arigato.
 
#3
I second the vote for Singapore... It's a great combination of a first world city, great variety of women, and very affordable hobbying prices. In fact, if I made a top 5 list of cities to live in for a year in the whole world, it would probably make that list.
 

Wwanderer

Kids, don't try this at home
#4
Commercial sex is indeed great in Singapore, just be careful where you drop the condom wrappers. The penalty for littering is 20 years with daily floggings or something like that.

-Ww
 
#5
Commercial sex is indeed great in Singapore, just be careful where you drop the condom wrappers. The penalty for littering is 20 years with daily floggings or something like that.

-Ww
I seem to remember that you used to post on the original WSG and ASP under the handles of The Wanderer and Col. Kurt . . .
 

Wwanderer

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#6
I seem to remember that you used to post on the original WSG and ASP under the handles of The Wanderer and Col. Kurt . . .
Pretty good memory, DW! I recall your screen name from way back in net mongering's (not so long) history.

I have posted in more different prostitution net forums than I could recall or count and with quite a few different screen names. I have never used "Col. Kurt" (I am pretty sure) but have used something close to that. To add to the possible confusion, one (but not the only) reason that I took to using the extra "w" in my handle is that as this net community grew in size, I began to encounter other guys using "Wanderer". Finally, a few years ago there seemed to be someone (or, possibly, more than one person) who was setting up board and free ***** accounts using "Wwanderer" in, I think, an attempt to net-impersonate me...associated with the usual sort net melodrama nonsense. In other words, you are basically right but I may not have been the one behind some posts made under those screen names.

Anyway, good to cross your path again...

-Ww
 
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Pretty good memory, DW! I recall your screen name from way back in net mongering's (not so long) history.

I have posted in more different prostitution net forums than I could recall or count and with quite a few different screen names. I have never used "Col. Kurt" (I am pretty sure) but have used something close to that. To add to the possible confusion, one (but not the only) reason that I took to using the extra "w" in my handle is that as this net community grew in size, I began to encounter other guys using "Wanderer". Finally, a few years ago there seemed to be someone (or, possibly, more than one person) who was setting up board and free ***** accounts using "Wwanderer" in, I think, an attempt to net-impersonate me...associated with the usual sort net melodrama nonsense. In other words, you are basically right but I may not have been the one behind some posts made under those screen names.

Anyway, good to cross your path again...

-Ww
Did you ever live in Singapore?

Any way, back in '97 or so, you might have provided me with intro to a caucasian escort in Tokyo. I think her name was Hanna . . .
 

Wwanderer

Kids, don't try this at home
#8
Did you ever live in Singapore?

Any way, back in '97 or so, you might have provided me with intro to a caucasian escort in Tokyo. I think her name was Hanna . . .
Nope, I never lived in Singapore, just visited a few times. Did you ever live there or elsewhere (except Tokyo) in Asia?

And, of course, I don't do things that would make me an active participant/accomplice in a crime, but if I did, I definitely wouldn't post about it on a public board.

-Ww
 
#9
Nope, I never lived in Singapore, just visited a few times. Did you ever live there or elsewhere (except Tokyo) in Asia?

And, of course, I don't do things that would make me an active participant/accomplice in a crime, but if I did, I definitely wouldn't post about it on a public board.

-Ww
There's no need to be paranoid. That's not a crime in Japan by any interpretation or stretch of the imagination.

I lived only in Japan, traveled extensively.
 
#10
Nope, I never lived in Singapore, just visited a few times. Did you ever live there or elsewhere (except Tokyo) in Asia?

And, of course, I don't do things that would make me an active participant/accomplice in a crime, but if I did, I definitely wouldn't post about it on a public board.

-Ww
Reply Part II
Perhaps you forgot about these recs:
http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showpost.php?p=257708&postcount=5
http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showpost.php?p=205657&postcount=1

As I said, there's no need to be paranoid. That's not a crime in Japan by any interpretation or stretch of the imagination.
 

Wwanderer

Kids, don't try this at home
#11
Yes, I had definitely forgotten about those particular posts, as well as many thousands of other posts here and elsewhere, but anyway they don't actually address my point. You wrote

you might have provided me with intro to a caucasian escort in Tokyo.
which I understood to be you asking me if I had played a direct role in arranging a personal/individual "date" for you with a specific escort on a particular date etc. As I understand the situation (from np and other legal authorities of the net), the posts at the links in your post are "just talk" and are largely protected. However, getting involved directly in setting up specific actions/events is a whole different story legally.

As I said, there's no need to be paranoid. That's not a crime in Japan by any interpretation or stretch of the imagination.
Moreover, and somewhat to my surprise, the local law where any such events may have taken place is not the only relevant issue. US laws can make actions by US citizens illegal no matter where in the world they take place.

-Ww
 
#12
(snip) I understood to be you asking me if I had played a direct role in arranging a personal/individual "date" for you with a specific escort on a particular date etc. As I understand the situation (from np and other legal authorities of the net), the posts at the links in your post are "just talk" and are largely protected. However, getting involved directly in setting up specific actions/events is a whole different story legally.
So, posting a review of a venue as per the UG style, which includes address and phone number is okay? And, sending a message to someone with a glowing UG-style review that includes includes contact info isn't okay?

btw, np? Acronym Finder lists 80 definitions for np, none of which appear to fit the above context:

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?acronym=np&string=exact&s=r&page=1

And, given that this situation involved merely the exchange of info which the recipient could have used in any number of ways, what is the Statute of Limitations in such a situation? Given that my single solitary meeting with Hannah took place in 1998, would that be a problem for anyone?

Actually, a review of my notes from the past, stored on one of my remote storage drives, revealed that I received Hannah's contact info from a person with the handle of Kurt Colonade, who lived in Singapore. He told me that he was an expat from an English-speaking country other than America.

What I remembered most about my single solitary meeting with Hannah was that she didn't live-up to all of the hype. Kurt Colonade and others rated her in the Top 10 providers in the region, which was quite a claim. She didn't make my Top 100 in Tokyo. For someone who reportedly lived for a respectable stretch in Tokyo, Hannah didn't know that much about the city (she had trouble finding a Love Hotel in Shibuya) and didn't know that much about the pricing environment. And, 98% of the J-Girls I met provided much much better service by comparison. It wasn't even close.

Hannah is intelligent and witty; and has a very pleasant personality. She probably provided a viable option for visitors who can't speak Japanese. However, IMHO she definitely didn't deserve any top rankings.

Then again, to borrow the words of Robert Hunter et al.:
"One man gathers what another man spills."
 

Wwanderer

Kids, don't try this at home
#13
So, posting a review of a venue as per the UG style, which includes address and phone number is okay? And, sending a message to someone with a glowing UG-style review that includes includes contact info isn't okay?
I'm no attorney and, as a non-expert, often find that laws and the legal system make no rational sense, so I definitely understand your point, but to the best of my limited understanding, the situation you describe above is correct.

So, as a metaphor and an example, it would be protected "free speech" to discuss techniques and even potential targets for, say, robbing a bank in a public forum as a hypothetical. However, passing someone essentially the same information privately could be construed as criminal involvement and/or conspiracy if he/she actually carried out such a robbery based on that information.

btw, np? Acronym Finder lists 80 definitions for np, none of which appear to fit the above context:

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?acronym=np&string=exact&s=r&page=1
Sorry for the typo. I meant to type "jl" (= justlooking), which is the usual UG way of referring to this forum's most prolific participant (now over 22,000 posts!!). He is a highly respected regional hobbyist/monger, a high powered attorney and manifestly an extremely intelligent and wise person. (Btw, jl, none of the above should be understood to imply that you are correct about any of the many matters about which we disagree!) If we are lucky, maybe he will chime in here and explain the legalities far better than I ever could.

What I remembered most about my single solitary meeting with Hannah was that she didn't live-up to all of the hype. Kurt Colonade and others rated her in the Top 10 providers in the region, which was quite a claim. She didn't make my Top 100 in Tokyo. For someone who reportedly lived for a respectable stretch in Tokyo, Hannah didn't know that much about the city (she had trouble finding a Love Hotel in Shibuya) and didn't know that much about the pricing environment. And, 98% of the J-Girls I met provided much much better service by comparison. It wasn't even close.

Hannah is intelligent and witty; and has a very pleasant personality. She probably provided a viable option for visitors who can't speak Japanese. However, IMHO she definitely didn't deserve any top rankings.
Perhaps we can bypass all the prior legalistic issues and simply discuss Hannah of Tokyo (or HoT as I and others often call her), if you wish. As indicated in my old post to which you posted a link, she is indeed my ATF. And, as you also mention above, she had rave reviews from a bunch of guys, including a number of the mostly widely known and experienced/discerning net mongers of the 1990s. Many who met her have described her as the best, or one of the very best, they ever saw. I paid attention whenever I saw a review of her (due to her ATF status in my pantheon of providers), and there were also occasional negative and so-so reviews...although many fewer than strongly positive ones.

What does this mean? Your explanation:

Then again, to borrow the words of Robert Hunter et al.:
"One man gathers what another man spills."
strikes me as a good guess too. Tastes differ, and actually are more likely to differ at the extremes of a given experience. Many will tell you that, say, caviar or lobster is their favorite food while others wouldn't eat them on a bet.

And, of course, there are other possible explanations. Any escort can be off her game at times, and occasionally very far off it...either for a good reason having to do with something else going on in her life or for no obvious reason. Personalities can clash, miscommunications about what some (dis)likes are quite possible (even without language barriers) etc.

In any case, if I played any role in what was apparently a disappointing encounter for you, I am sorry that things didn't turn out better. I think that we certainly agree that Tokyo is a really wonderful town for mongering, at least arguably the best in the world.

-Ww
 
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(snip) In any case, if I played any role in what was apparently a disappointing encounter for you, I am sorry that things didn't turn out better. I think that we certainly agree that Tokyo is a really wonderful town for mongering, at least arguably the best in the world. -Ww
According to my notes, it was Kurt Colonade who posted the rave reviews and provided me with her contact info. In any event, as hobbyists, we all roll the dice. Therefore, there is no need to apologize. Also, there is always a chance that there could have been more than one Hannah in Tokyo.

I suspect that at the time I met Hannah, I had already met so many J-Girls that the bar had been set too high. The average level of service provided by J-Girls is just too good to top, IMHO.
 

Wwanderer

Kids, don't try this at home
#15
I suspect that at the time I met Hannah, I had already met so many J-Girls that the bar had been set too high. The average level of service provided by J-Girls is just too good to top, IMHO.
A question: By "J-Girls" do you mean Japanese women, at least those in the commercial sex biz, in general or are you referring to a specific service/agency? I am reading you to mean the former, but "J-Girls" sounds vaguely familiar to me...possibly as a place or service I once used or heard about. Not important, just wondering...

More to the point re your "average level of service" comment, the "okyaku-sama wa kami-sama" (which you mentioned in your excellent FAQ) and thus pampering/submissive style of commercial (and often non-commercial too) female sexuality in Japan, and to various extents elsewhere in Asia as well, makes some guys forever unsatisfied with the typical sexual styles/attitudes of Western women. While I am definitely not in that category myself, I think that I do understand the perspective. A man who has never experienced something along the lines of, say, a good Yoshiwara soapland service can hardly imagine how amazingly luxurious and erotic, nor how different, it can be.

-Ww
 
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A question: By "J-Girls" do you mean Japanese women, at least those in the commercial sex biz, in general or are you referring to a specific service/agency? I am reading you to mean the former, but "J-Girls" sounds vaguely familiar to me...possibly as a place or service I once used or heard about. Not important, just wondering...
J-Girls is a merely a generic term for refering to Japanese Girls. It sounds much nicer than the three-lettered word that some people use. I also use the term K-Girls for Koreans. There used to be a site called J-Girls which featured excellent scans etc.

More to the point re your "average level of service" comment, the "okyaku-sama wa kami-sama" (which you mentioned in your excellent FAQ) and thus pampering/submissive style of commercial (and often non-commercial too) female sexuality in Japan, and to various extents elsewhere in Asia as well, makes some guys forever unsatisfied with the typical sexual styles/attitudes of Western women. While I am definitely not in that category myself, I think that I do understand the perspective. A man who has never experienced something along the lines of, say, a good Yoshiwara soapland service can hardly imagine how amazingly luxurious and erotic, nor how different, it can be.
Yes, but Okyaku-sama wa Kami-sami also extends to stationary stores, book shops, hotels, department stores, ramen shops and bakeries. Service in Japan is superior.
 
#17
I would like to offer additional commentary . . .

More to the point re your "average level of service" comment, the "okyaku-sama wa kami-sama" (which you mentioned in your excellent FAQ) and thus pampering/submissive style of commercial (and often non-commercial too) female sexuality in Japan, and to various extents elsewhere in Asia as well, makes some guys forever unsatisfied with the typical sexual styles/attitudes of Western women. While I am definitely not in that category myself, I think that I do understand the perspective. A man who has never experienced something along the lines of, say, a good Yoshiwara soapland service can hardly imagine how amazingly luxurious and erotic, nor how different, it can be.
The so-called "submissive" behavior of J-Girls and Asian women is a red herring. I've met plenty of take-charge and fun J-Girls who were anything but submissive. My friend Keiko, whom wrote about in the "My J-Girl e-pal Home Run" series, was anything but submissive.

Two factors come into play:

1. Japan is a country rooted in Confucian and Buddhist traditions. It doesn't suffer from the Judeo-Christian burden of attaching guilt to sex.

2. As I said before, service is better in Japan.

As for the attitudes of Western, I won't delve into that subject here. I'll just mention that I can remember a time when "liberated" women scolded me for opening doors for them. They were angry because I was demonstrating their inferiority through such actions.
 
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Wwanderer

Kids, don't try this at home
#18
J-Girls is a merely a generic term for refering to Japanese Girls. It sounds much nicer than the three-lettered word that some people use. I also use the term K-Girls for Koreans. There used to be a site called J-Girls which featured excellent scans etc.
OK, got it. I also never use the offensive three letter contraction and often use just a J. It also explains why "J-Girls" sounded familiar to me. Btw, the upper case "G" makes it look more like a proper name than "J-girls" would.

Yes, but Okyaku-sama wa Kami-sami also extends to stationary stores, book shops, hotels, department stores, ramen shops and bakeries. Service in Japan is superior.
Absolutely. The full blast, cheerful enthusiasm and over-the-top helpfulness of customer service in Japanese retail establishments of all sorts (from fast food joints to way upscale boutiques and everywhere in between) is often one of the first (of many) culture shocks that strike new comers to Japan...probably because it is such a contrast to their previous experiences.

-Ww
 

Wwanderer

Kids, don't try this at home
#19
The so-called "submissive" behavior of J-Girls and Asian women is a red herring. I've met plenty of take-charge and fun J-Girls who were anything but submissive.
You are right. I am currently seeing a J-woman as a FB (casual non-commercial partner), and she can hand out suggestions, which are actually instructions/orders, in bed with the best of them. Nevertheless, there is something about the style of male-female interactions in Japan, and not only in sexual contexts, that is fundamentally different in structure than those in western culture(s). It is even embedded in the language, as you probably know. But I don't know how to describe it very well; "submissive" is the best I can do in a single word.

Japan is a country rooted in Confucian and Buddhist traditions. It doesn't suffer from the Judeo-Christian burden of attaching guilt to sex.
Brother, you are preaching my sermon on this one! I'd hate to know how many miles of ascii strings I've posted on UG and elsewhere trying to describe what a deep and pervasive difference the guilt/shame/baseness the Levantine religions attach to sex makes in all things sexual, including the stigmatization of commercial sex and the belief that it is necessarily degrading/damaging. Until someone groks sexuality in a culture that does not start from this poisonous axiom, it is very hard to see how deep its influence is in Western life. (it is no less true for being a cliche, of course, that seeing one's own culture and community more clearly is one of the greatest benefits of travel.)

-Ww
 
#20
Gentlemen,

There is a chance that I might return to Tokyo some time this year.

Of course, I will conduct pre-trip research, calls, e-mails, texts etc.

And I will post on UG.
 
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