The more you pay the better it gets

[danger-us]

This and other myths, today on UG Expose.

Some guys need to live out their fantasies with porn stars. My fantasies usually involve minimum wage hotel cleaning women. To each his own.

This section is so empty, you'd think it costs $1000 just to post a thread here. High End indeed.

Under what circumstances would you spend $1000+ for a provider?

 

[Geezy Muldoon]

I haven't spent quite that much. But came pretty close several times.

For that kind of money, I want a woman who is younger (21-24), better looking (real world 7-8), relatively inexperienced (can count professional lays in the low hundreds or less), lets me put my tongue in her mouth and doesn't require a condom when she blows me - no questions asked.

When it works out as planned, it does get better the more you pay. That is what I now consider a "better" experience.

FWIW, I'd never waste my time seeing a porn star. Such women do absolutely nothing for me and are as unappetizing (to me anyway) as lady winos sleeping under bridges.

 

[Thorn]

I will keep this brief...

At some point I might consider sex for $1000/hr. I will be an old, boney, man that no woman would come near for less then that amount. But that point is far away, or at least one can hope.

It has to do with the fact that no matter how skilled the courtesan, or beautiful, we are still talking about sex.

Sex, in and of itself, to me is not worth $1000 for a single event with a single woman, as I can get as much of it as I personally need, at the quality I desire it [which is relatively high] for much less. At least, for now I can.

I won't overpay for airfare simply because I can afford to, or over pay for hotels, jewlery, good food, theatre, or any of life's other fineries. I consider sex to be no different then any of these.

Just my opinion.

 

[justlooking]

DITTO to Judge Crater.

NON-DITTO to Thorn.

 

[justlooking]

I don't want to start this idiotic argument again but . . . .

Thorn, just because there's a price point that you won't go above, it doesn't follow that anyone who does is overpaying or just paying that much because they can. Unless and until you can show JC and me the $200 equivalent (among prostitutes) of the agency girls JC is talking about, we won't buy your argument. Because all you're doing is taking a completely arbitrary decision you make for yourself and trying to impose it on everybody else like it's some kind of universal maxim or standard of value, when really it's nothing more than YOUR individual decision about what YOU are willing to spend.

 

[danger-us]

Originally posted by justlooking
Thorn, just because there's a price point that you won't go above, it doesn't follow that anyone who does is overpaying or just paying that much because they can.

I agree with, what I believe to be, the essence of Thorn's post. I thought he was expressing his ability to meet his own standards at a much lower price point. That's also how I feel, for the most part.

jl, I can understand your issue with his last paragraph. As you put it, he was 'trying to impose it on everybody else like it's some kind of universal maxim or standard of value'. I think it's his general way of speaking/writing, which I myself sometimes take issue with. I'd probably appreciate more of his posts if they were less 'pompous', as he describes himself. I don't think he means harm in the way he writes. I just don't think he realizes how his style can be perceived. (This post in question is such a mild case of this.)

Back to the issue of the thread:

I think it comes down to fulfilling your own fantasy. I have never liked the overly 'perfect' types. What really gets me off, is a beauty and charm that I can relate to. I can't relate to most of the girls priced at $1000+.

 

[Geezy Muldoon]

Thorn:

jl is probably richer than I am and/or has no children to take care of and/or has a wife who makes gobs of money. He also seems to have recourse to cheaper, acceptable alternatives (e.g., strippers, UTR women, etc.) for those moments when he is feeling especially edgy.

Even though I am not in the same position as jl and now have less frequent commercial encounters as a result, paying more for what I am looking for still makes sense.

I am no longer interested in the compulsive whorehound experience.* It does absolutely nothing for me.

I have a very, very difficult time believing in what is happening these days when I am having a commercial sex encounter.

With an inexperienced, young woman from an agency, it becomes easier to believe for the time it takes to have a session.

That's why I am willing to pay more.


Best, etc.


JC


*With the exception of one 18 year old indie who I may or may not get to boink someday.

 

[pjorourke]

Please Wwanderer, let me!

Originally posted by justlooking
Because all you're doing is taking a completely arbitrary decision you make for yourself and trying to impose it on everybody else like it's some kind of universal maxim or standard of value, when really it's nothing more than YOUR individual decision...

Where have we seen someone around here pushing universal maxims?

 

[Thorn]

Re: I don't want to start this idiotic argument again but . . . .

Originally posted by justlooking
Thorn, just because there's a price point that you won't go above, it doesn't follow that anyone who does is overpaying or just paying that much because they can. Unless and until you can show JC and me the $200 equivalent (among prostitutes) of the agency girls JC is talking about, we won't buy your argument. Because all you're doing is taking a completely arbitrary decision you make for yourself and trying to impose it on everybody else like it's some kind of universal maxim or standard of value, when really it's nothing more than YOUR individual decision about what YOU are willing to spend.

Sorry if I came off sounding like that. We've bandied this about often enough that you know that is not the way I feel.

I fully admit that the amount [closer to $300 then to $200] is a totally subjective amount placed on the value of sex of a particular quality that is sufficent to meet my needs, AND fits in with the value of other things in life for which I am willing to part with cash. I just can't remove sex as a seperate issue from other things of value in life. I'm a big picture kinda guy. For instance, I can't see within the value scope in my life, one hours worth of sex being of equivilent value to 1/3 the cost of a week in Europe in a good hotel.

I also wouldn't dream of imposing MY standard as universal. I am just stating that it works for ME.

And you and I both have women that we see that are of very high caliber, and that don't cost us much more then $300. It happens. It just takes a LOT of effort to find them. Time is money, so if you count the investment of time...

Its just that I am willing to invest time rather then other forms of capital.

So, when it comes right down to it, I suppose there isn't a whole lot of difference. A $600 - $1000 girl from a reliable agency or independent of known value, with very little time invested, compared to a semi-pro you've paid $200 - $300 and invested maybe another $100 in the pre-work [I don't spend the way you do on that, but we aren't working in the same venues... you are getting a lot of the white girls in the scores - paradise - type places and I am dealing mostly with hispanic women in Jersey back waters. Our concepts of true beauty are similar, but I am willing to trade down in looks a little for the right attitude and sexual appetite... at $1000 it should be, obviously, the whole package. In other words, we'd probably both give Danielle a 6 but I'd probably rate her higher overal then you due to her attitude and the fact that she sees sex pretty much the same way a guy would see it if they had breasts and female genitalia... ie, if its fun do it.. but if you are going to do it anyway, might as well get paid for it].

Anyway... point is, that we don't disagree that taste and price points are arbitrary things.

Just as you also have agreed that, within this medium [though I admit not in the whoring world as a whole] there are more johns working at my price point then at yours.

 

[SkellyChamp]

I have paid $1000 and more for an 1 or 1 and a half hour session. We all have our own persepectives. I've never compared or thought about what else I could do with that money. That's just me. If I found a woman who I wanted to see then I would pay her fee whatever it was (for the most part because I wouldn't pay $50,000 a day sought by some ladies). There is no fixed age point. The only requirement I have is BBBJ and that's at any fee. I would not pay even $10 for a CBJ.

I rarely play anymore (having by choice decided to dedicate myself to making my marriage and home life work after 20+ years) but when I do the dollars really don't matter. I suppose in large part it is because I don't worry about it. And that has probably affected my view towards it.

If Marianne Miller had turned out to be real, I definitely would have seen her regardless of whether her fee was out of this world (e.g. $2000) because I just thought she was stunning.

I have seen certain porn stars and paid a large fee but because I wanted to see them I readily paid it . But there are other porn stars who I have no desire to see who even if they were charging $200 to see I wouldn't bother with. It' s never been about comparing one girl with another on any level. Now that Marianne is a no-go (I'm still devastated) there is a woman who I've wanted to see who is going to be around for my birthday who I will probably treat myself to. She is a porn star and will probably cost $1500 - $3000 but I will see her and if it if for 1 or 1 and a half hours and I enjoy it then it is worth it. Memories factor into the price also.

I understand Thorn's and JC/jl's point of view, I just don't feel it applies to me.

 

[justlooking]

Originally posted by danger-us
Back to the issue of the thread:

I think it comes down to fulfilling your own fantasy. I have never liked the overly 'perfect' types. What really gets me off, is a beauty and charm that I can relate to. I can't relate to most of the girls priced at $1000+.

What's interesting about this is that we're in complete agreement. But in my experience, the higher-priced agency women (and I'm really talking about $600 and up here, although my one foray into $1000+ wasn't much different from the rest of this range) are the type of "beauty and charm that I can relate to." Meaning they're not stunningly perfect women: rather, as JC says, they're "only" 7s or 8s. What they are is extremely goodlooking normal-type women -- more like someone you'd see on the street and want to be with than like someone you'd see on a runway -- who seem to come from some kind of background I can relate to, who are able to hold my interest in a conversation, and who are not so used up and jaded that I feel like I'm being treated like a trick when we have sex. The women that I have trouble relating to are, say, the $200 brothel girls, who seem to be coming from lives I can barely comprehend.

You can get what I'm talking about elsewhere for less money (rhymes with "rippers"; rhymes with "UTR mindies"; rhymes with "demi-does"). But not without a lot more work than it takes to phone an agency.

 

[pswope]

Though I have blown the equivalent amount ($1000) on past serial whoring binges,there is no way I would spend that amount on a single session. The only exception would be for an absolutely unobtainable woman-Halle Berry.

This has been dissected before and my answer remains the same.
For me, there is no commercial sex session worth that amount.

I have experienced the types of working girls jl adverts to during my 1st tour of duty as a john and while many of those experiences were positive, they provided me with no greater personal enjoyment than I currently derive from the ladies I see.

When I go beyond my d-mark ($300/hr),I suffer a psychological diminished return on satisfaction that makes it not worhtwhile to pursue at these higher price levels.

 

[justlooking]

Well, yeah, but that "psychological diminution" has to do with you, not the service providers. To trot out the old restaurant analogy, it would be easy to understand someone's saying he couldn't enjoy a meal that cost $150 or $200. But that doesn't mean that people who aren't bothered by that can't and don't enjoy dinner at Bouley or Daniel or wherever. Or, for that matter, that you can easily get what you get at Bouley or Daniel or wherever for much less than you pay at those places.

(And of course, as has been noted lots of times before, you're in the lucky position of having a pronounced preference that's undervalued by the market.)

 

[Geezy Muldoon]

Ditto to jl's remarks on jaded. I can always sense the Potemkin village being built before my eyes and can immediately apprehend each and every lie told to me when I'm with a prostitute.

With young, inexperienced agency girls who have not long grown accustomed to playing all the different roles that prostitutes play with different men, all that is still likely to happen.

I am still a john. That never changes.

There is, however, a slightly better chance that something "real" might transpire; a display of "self" that was not planned out in advance as part of the role she is playing. It's those moments of "reality" that I am willing to pay for.

Why? Those moments of "reality" force me to confront myself and educate me about who I am.

 

[justme]

I'd probably pay $1000 for a prostitute at around the same time that $1000 became the same percentage of my discretionary income that $150 is now.

Heh, but since looks aren't as important to me as believable sex, I'd have to be that much more convinced that there was something real about the experience.

(While in session only, of course)

(Given what I've seen at $600-$800, I'd have to assume looks would be more than sufficiently met at $1000)

 

[Thorn]

Originally posted by pswope
I have experienced the types of working girls jl adverts to during my 1st tour of duty as a john and while many of those experiences were positive, they provided me with no greater personal enjoyment than I currently derive from the ladies I see.

When I go beyond my d-mark ($300/hr),I suffer a psychological diminished return on satisfaction that makes it not worhtwhile to pursue at these higher price levels.

Ditto. Ditto. And ditto again.

 

[Thorn]

Originally posted by justlooking
Well, yeah, but that "psychological diminution" has to do with you, not the service providers.

Ditto again.

 

[Thorn]

Originally posted by Judge Crater
Why? Those moments of "reality" force me to confront myself and educate me about who I am.

It is clear that you have not, for lack of a better term, "sex dated" young dancers who have decided to make an "acception" [in quotes because, if you do it often enough is it still an acception? And how do you know how often she is doing it, other then guessing by her seeming lack of 'provider' experience] in your case and have sex with you for money.

You'll frequently get all the "reality" you crave and then some.

[Which, in fact, becomes the issue with "dating" such women over seeing professional providers.]

 

[Geezy Muldoon]

Thorn:

That sort of craziness wouldn't be enjoyable to me at all. An old girlfriend's ex-sister-in-law was a stripper and she was a friggin piece of work.

She talked to me quite often (usually when drunk while wearing her bathrobe at her dining room table without makeup and her wet hair up in a terry cloth turban) about being a stripper, the bullshit she spewed, the lies she told, and the stuff she did with men. I heard it all.

She finally found an old geezer of a lawyer who sent her to Katherine Gibbs and made her his secretary.

She does quite nicely now and lives a semi-normal middle class life. Her daughter is all grown up wearing black lipstick and living as a bohemian in the Village.



JC

 

[letsgetstarted]

Re: I don't want to start this idiotic argument again but . . . .

Originally posted by justlooking
Thorn, just because there's a price point that you won't go above, it doesn't follow that anyone who does is overpaying or just paying that much because they can. Unless and until you can show JC and me the $200 equivalent (among prostitutes) of the agency girls JC is talking about, we won't buy your argument. Because all you're doing is taking a completely arbitrary decision you make for yourself and trying to impose it on everybody else like it's some kind of universal maxim or standard of value, when really it's nothing more than YOUR individual decision about what YOU are willing to spend.

I think for most of us, $1000 for a session is not an arbitrary amount, it's a large amount.

So, does somebody have a recommendation in that price category?