Taking The Plunge

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franca

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I hope that the guys who do see unreviewed working girls will speak up for themselves. From where I sit, I looks like what is going on, is that they are using their own good judgement and listening to their big head when a voice in the back of it says "warning, this smells like bullshit!"

These guys have found somebody, who from the ad/website copy and photographs appears to be the kind of woman they are interested in. After communicating with her, if she still seems real, they go for it. They are willing to risk calling it off if things get hinky when she shows up. Their judgement is pretty good, though. I bet after they deal with one rip-off (or attempted rip-off), the worst that ever happens again is that the woman they book turns out not as great as she seemed at first. And, "not as great as she seemed at first" could just as easily happen with a working girl that has pages and pages of glowing reviews.
 
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justlooking

#22
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FlirtyWifeChristine said:
Actually Mr. JustLooking, the solution for a gent lacking reviews is fairly simple. We readily and eagerly accept Date-Check or P411. This is the perfect solution for the gent getting started in the hobby. So there's no need to "diverge from the herd" as you say. ;)

xxoo

Christine & Alex - Married Couple
Phun - Phlirtation - Phantasy - Phoenix
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Signing up with a Registry Of Whoremongers is absolutely going with the herd.*

I can't speak for anyone else, but if I am ever retarded enough to permit myself to be put on such a registry, directly connected with illegal activity, please shoot me immediately.
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* Thanks a lot for correcting that rather embarrassing spelling misstake, guys!
 
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justlooking

#23
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franca said:
I hope that the guys who do see unreviewed working girls will speak up for themselves. From where I sit, I looks like what is going on, is that they are using their own good judgement and listening to their big head when a voice in the back of it says "warning, this smells like bullshit!"

These guys have found somebody, who from the ad/website copy and photographs appears to be the kind of woman they are interested in. After communicating with her, if she still seems real, they go for it. They are willing to risk calling it off if things get hinky when she shows up. Their judgement is pretty good, though. I bet after they deal with one rip-off (or attempted rip-off), the worst that ever happens again is that the woman they book turns out not as great as she seemed at first. And, "not as great as she seemed at first" could just as easily happen with a working girl that has pages and pages of glowing reviews.
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This is exactly right, in my experience.
 
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robnotbob

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Back 10 years ago, when I was just starting in the MP world, I would go to *** (pre UG) or the back NY mag and look at ads and some reviews and see what I was comfortable with and go see the girl. Most of the time, there were no reviews posted anywhere. I would post a review only to see that a bunch of other guys had seen her too and then add their $.02. So it's all about your "gut" and what feels right.
 
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justme

homo economicus
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The girls I saw were often long gone by the time any reviews of them started to trickle in. The biggest returns came with assuming some amount of risk.

Filtering out good prostitutes from bad ones is a skill that you can develop over time if you're willing to get screwed some on the front end and pay plenty of attention to what works.
 
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FlirtyWifeChristine

banned
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Who Ruled Registries Were Connected To Illegal Activity???

justlooking said:
Signing up with a Registry Of Whoremongers is absolutely going with the herd.*

I can't speak for anyone else, but if I am ever retarded enough to permit myself to be put on such a registry, directly connected with illegal activity, please shoot me immediately.
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* Thanks a lot for correcting that rather embarrassing spelling mistake**, guys!
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Mr. JustLooking, We respectfully disagree. Registration with a reputable verification service is not "going with the herd" none-the-less, even if it is, so what, the goal again is safety.

Further, Date-Check and P411 are NOT connected to any "illegal" activity. Their role is verification only, useful to lots of professions who's activities have nothing to do with anything illegal and are typically offered in a private setting.

Anyone that provides services in a private setting is risking their safety, this includes strip dancers, nude models, masseuse, erotic photographers, companions (time only) - none of these professions are illegal, only the solicitation of sex acts for money is.

;) --> remember, what happens between two consenting adults is up to them.

Sir, the tone of your writing troubles us, (I hope I am simply just misinterpreting you), it sounds to us you have very little regard for the personal safety of escorts / providers; that in fact you view these people as "lesser" and expendable. Am I reading this accurately?

The goal with screening, (registered or not) is to insure the providers (and ultimately yours) safety - refusing to "follow the herd", as you put it, in some form or another is only putting yourself (and others) at unnecessary risk.

xxoo

Christine & Alex - Married Couple
Phun - Phlirtation - Phantasy - Phoenix

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** Oops, sorry, didn't mean to catch another misspelling. ;)
 
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justlooking

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FlirtyWifeChristine said:
;) --> remember, what happens between two consenting adults is up to them.
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As I'm sure you're aware, this bullshit disclaimer gives neither the supply side nor the demand side the slightest bit of protection when it is so easily established that a sale of sexual services is occurring.

FlirtyWifeChristine said:
Sir, the tone of your writing troubles us, (I hope I am simply just misinterpreting you), it sounds to us you have very little regard for the personal safety of escorts / providers; that in fact you view these people as "lesser" and expendable. Am I reading this accurately?
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That could not be further from the truth.

It does bother me, however, when people on YOUR side of the equation start giving off the vibe that they're doing us johns a big favor by selling us sexual services, and that we should be so grateful that we should forego the kind of self-protection that any person with half a brain would enage in -- even though YOU'RE the ones who are getting paid to take risks, not us.

My point is solely that, if a john is bothered by screening requirements, there are ways to arrange your commercial sex life so that it will not be required that you hand over personal information to someone you don't know. (I'm not saying you won't disclose personal info; only not to someone you don't know.)

FlirtyWifeChristine said:
** Oops, sorry, didn't mean to catch another misspelling. ;)
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No, please. Point 'em out whenever you find them.
 
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Monk

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I don't want to turn this into another verification debate thread. We could start a thread elsewhere (a different section) regarding the online verification services. Enough to say that some of us on the client side value our privacy (and have a lot to lose if our true identities were ever discovered), and wish to limit the number of places our personal information is stored. So, for us, the online verification services are simply not an option. Not to respect these concerns, frankly, is as troubling to us as the supply side's concerns for protecting their safety is for them. Therein lies the dilemma.

I'd still like to see more responses to the original question on this thread: what pushes you over the edge when deciding to see unreviewed and unknown providers? I'm specifically interested in what you see in their classified ads or Web sites that factors into your decision (other than the obvious).
 
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Scott68

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Pictures obviously are the biggest attraction. If they are professional, which means airbrushed, you can tell. Is she attractive without the "professional photography"?

If I do a search, and it's all blank, I would not partake until something comes up over the radar.

Price, is it along the average?

Does she provide for an incall location that I'm comfortable with?

These are just a few of the criteria that I use when a new provider pops up that I may want to see.
 
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justlooking

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Back when I was doing things off ads, I'd look for signs of personality (a personality I liked, obviously). If the prose on the site sounded like typical sexual services advertising stuff -- or, even worse, the Miss Piggy elocutions of service providers trying to sound "classy" -- I'd have no interest whatsoever. If the copy tried to evidence interest in the kinds of things I'm interested in -- the performing arts, wine, that kind of shit -- but suggested the person writing it was an ignorant poseur, forget it, too. But occassionally, someone would come across as a real, quirky individual. That's what I'd go for.

Suggestive photos were a real turn-off for me. There was once an occassion when this stipper I'd been "friends" with went pro, and her ad photos were riotously funny. I knew her as this sharp person with a killer smile -- but there she was in her ad photos making these patently phony, even ugly, fuck faces to the world. The kind of expressions nobody makes in real life, even in the throughs of ecstacy -- much less when they're posing for a picture in a studio. At least in my view, her ad photos made her seem much less appealing than she was.

So I didn't like photos where women looked like they're trying to dress up as prostitutes (I mean, they were prostitutes -- they didn't have look like they were pretending to be somebody's bad idea of what a prostitute looks like). I liked photos where women looked like themselves (within the confines of concealing their identities, of course).
 
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nychelsea

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I totally agree with JL on this. Just as the ladies have the right to require any type of screening they want, us guys have the right to opt out of screening, especially to people we don't know. This certainly does not mean we don't hold the safety of the ladies in high regard - couldn't be farther from the truth, as a matter of fact.

Anonymously,

Chels
 
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HawkEye65

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FlirtyWifeChristine said:
is there a verification debate thread elsewhere? I'd be happy to continue this discussion in the appropriate thread.
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Wow, you are going to be doing a lot of reading to catch up! I'm staying out of this one, I've already sid my piece, and what JL and NYCHELS said in the last 2 posts sums it up for me. One thing I will say, it's interesting reading.
 
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FlirtyWifeChristine

banned
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Overwhelmed

HawkEye65 said:
Wow, you are going to be doing a lot of reading to catch up! I'm staying out of this one, I've already sid my piece, and what JL and NYCHELS said in the last 2 posts sums it up for me. One thing I will say, it's interesting reading.
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Yea. I took one look at that huge, bloated thread and not only was depressed at the amount of reading required to catch up, but, the first page pretty much covered anything else I may have wanted to add. I fear the rest of the thread is merely a regurgitation of the same in different words by different authors.

End of the day, we're still gonna operate as we do, you'll do what you need to and hey - best of luck to you.

xxoo

Christine & Alex - Young Married Couple
Phlirty Phantasies & Phreaky Phun Adventures in Phoenix
 
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Retoxicate

#36
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franca said:
I hope that the guys who do see unreviewed working girls will speak up for themselves. From where I sit, I looks like what is going on, is that they are using their own good judgement and listening to their big head when a voice in the back of it says "warning, this smells like bullshit!"

These guys have found somebody, who from the ad/website copy and photographs appears to be the kind of woman they are interested in. After communicating with her, if she still seems real, they go for it. They are willing to risk calling it off if things get hinky when she shows up. Their judgement is pretty good, though. I bet after they deal with one rip-off (or attempted rip-off), the worst that ever happens again is that the woman they book turns out not as great as she seemed at first. And, "not as great as she seemed at first" could just as easily happen with a working girl that has pages and pages of glowing reviews.
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This sounds like me. And hinky is such an awesome word.
 
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FlirtyWifeChristine

banned
#38
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Anyway, back to answering the question at hand... What research should a hobbyist on a PROVIDER if she has no reviews.

1) Ask if she has reviews - just cuz they are not on your board, does not mean there are no reviews, they may just be elsewhere.

2) Google is your friend...
a) Try various search combinations of her phone number, name and/or location.
b) Then do the same searches replacing her email address with her phone #
c) Add "scam", "warning", and "alert" to the searches to see if another hobbyists has documented a bad experience.

NOTE: inconsistencies that come up in search results, aliases, etc, do search 2C with aliases.

Still coming up empty - this is getting closer to a good thing.

Ask if the lady is on Date-check, P411 or RS2000 - if she is, your still not in the clear, but at least you know someone else had to couch for the lady.

Ask to speak to the lady on the phone, see how she handles herself, is she interested in you or are you an inconvenience (thats an indication of how the session will go).

Ask the lady for a reference, while its awkward, we all have a client we've recently seen that we could ask if they would vouch for us. Most can be contacted discreetly or on another board and we can tell you where to find them.

Lastly, ask the lady to meet you for coffee - again, if she is serious, and has a mind for customer service, she will try to meet you.

In Alex's opinion, a casual coffee meeting might be the best tool....

Ok, Alex here, we've been searching for doubles partners, we get lots of positive interest from ladies via email and even have some awesome phone convos, but in the end, we tell them we refuse to refer them until we have met them TWICE. Some of the most enthusiastic ladies have failed right here, the no-call-no-show, endless cancellations, you find out real quick who WANTS to work and who is either too busy or who is just unprofessional.

Christine again... Alex may be right, this process has been very frustrating, and a real eye-opener.

xxoo

Christine & Alex - Married Couple Adventures
Flirty Fun Fantasies & Erotic Encounters
 
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