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One Eyed Trouser Trout

#1 Cowboys Fan
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#21
On relationships and Special Olympics

Relationships between reasonably healthy individuals takes lots of effort, and there are lots of ups and downs and lots of confusion.

Ok. Now extract the demands of a relationship between healthy folk and overlay those demands on provider and client (granted, not the healthiest pups in the litter) and you've got Relationship Special Olympics.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Obsessing over the results is equally as nutz.
 
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Phantom

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Well I finally caught her on the phone this morning. Really just wanted to leave a VM, but she picked up. I told her that I needed her to answer a question for me very honestly and truthful. She has never answered with anything less in the past.

I asked her if the reason she will not do ON with me or not willing to set anything up in advance was her way of telling me that she does not want to see me again. He answer was, "No, not at all"

She told me why she had problems doing these two things, lets just say that they involve her erratic non business schedule. Only time will tell for sure.
 
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One Eyed Trouser Trout

#1 Cowboys Fan
#24
#24
Originally posted by Phantom
, "No, not at all"
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so, did she mean, No, she doesn't want to see you at all?

Or, No, the fact that she can't answer you is not at all what you think..

I hate it when people answer with mixed messages...

And yes Phantom...me, you, Ozzy, everybody,...we all have issues or we'd be repulsed by what we do.

Some are just sicker than others.

[Edited by One Eyed Trouser Trout on 02-09-2001 at 10:37 PM]
 
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justme

homo economicus
#25
#25
we all have issues or we'd be repulsed by what we do

I'd say that determining the truth of this statement is at least 50% responsible for my activities in places like this.
 
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Phantom

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OETT,

I asked if her decision not to do ON with me at this time and her not being able to schedule anything in advance was her way of trying to tell me that she would rather not see me anymore. Her response of "No, not at all" meant that "No" is not her way of telling me that she did not want to see me anymore.

Badz,

First of all just how many drinks did it take before your higher power appeared?

Please don't take the next couple of sentences the wrong way. What if a certain NYC provider who ecently went indie started not to return your calls. Would you be able to take your own advice to move on? Would you at least want to know if sure? Would you not make any attempt to get back into her good graces?
 
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yoric

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#29
Phantom,
First of all no disrespect intended. If you dont like what I have to say, fine- disregard it.
But- the fact is you have deflected every response offered, except that of KS, who you want
to correspond with privately because you say there are facts that you dont want to disclose publicly.
Why ask for opinions in the first place? Especially if you are holding back important details.
My feeling is that you already know the answer to your inquiry.
I wish you a good outcome in this matter. I have been there and survived.
 
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Phantom

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#30
yoric,

No offense taken. You've posed some legitimate questions, let me see if I can answer them.

I think maybe the word "deflected" is not quite right. Maybe the word "clarifly" is better. There were a few responses that commented on the fact that she could be making more money elsewhere and that is the reason she hasn't returned calls. I clariflied this by saying that these rates were even when she was working full time and the height of he popularity. How is that deflecting?

while I greatly appreciate all the responses from you guys which opinions and from who do you think carry more weight? If I wanted opinions on what girl is worth while to see I would ask you guys instead of accepting the escorts word that she was the best. Don't you think on this matter that the thoughts that come from a provider might be a step closer to the problem?

The main reason I wanted to talk off the board with KS is that this provider, my provider in question is "retired". I'm sure you all know that "retired" means awhole lot different then from being "retired" outside of the business. I would have put her well being in question if I just started posting all the info on an open board. I'm just trying to avoid posting enough info about this provider and my situation with her to concel her identity. Even if it turns out that she will not see me again I couldn't do that. She does not want one guy to know she is still working. I just figured that I could avoid allot of problems by talking to KS.
 
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One Eyed Trouser Trout

#1 Cowboys Fan
#31
#31
Phantom

My suggestion is if you're looking for love and loyalty, you get a Golden Retriever.

Just an opinion...but the hope and dream of having a healthy relationship with a provider opens all clients up to gut wrenching and brain twisting experiences.

Remember...we pay them to leave.
 
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One Eyed Trouser Trout

#1 Cowboys Fan
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#34
What I've done with non-provider situations like this in the past is try to pretend that they've died...and then work to mourn the loss.

I've only gotten good at this in the past 2 or 3 years.

Far more people have come in and out of my life than have stayed, and when I talk to others about their perceptions of their own experience, they see the same trend.

For some reason, people will continue to cross paths with me, will teach me something, and then leave. Some leave too quick, others don't leave quick enough.

An old salt was talking to his grandson regarding women.. The old salt had been quite a cocksman in his day, even marrying a few of the better ladies he had come to know.

His advice to his grandson was somewhat abstract..but he said..."Women are like trolleys...if you miss one, don't chase it. Wait patiently and another will come along"
 
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justme

homo economicus
#36
#36
Would you ate least want to know for sure?

Certainty is at best an illusion, but more likely a delusion. In my limited experience I've noticed that people who continue to search for the truth they want in the face of significant counter-evidence will often use certainty as an excuse for an unhealthy prolonging of the task. I know that I've done it.
 
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Phantom

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Badz and justme,

What I meant when I said that "wouldn't you want to know for sure" is that I would much rather be told in no uncertain words that, "please do not call me, I do not want to see you anymore" instead of doing things that leave doubt and questions in the mind of the guy as to the girls intentions.

All I want is her to be upfront and honest. Yes, it might hurt more then and for a while, but all doubts are erased. Being upfront and honest is better for both parties in the long run.
 
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yoric

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#38
Phantom,
I see your situation a little more clearly now and appreciate it.
Being upfront and honest, wouldnt the world ( and the hobby) be a more tolerable, albeit painful at times,place to be if this were practiced?
I hope you get closure on this with a minimum of distress
 
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