NYC Ain’t Your Father’s Monger Town Anymore

#22
Ah, the Yellow Pages (what’s that says a millennial). Did that too, as well as VV and NYmag. Lots of options. Pretty efficient. Never got stuck with a bait and switch. No IDs or other silliness.
I used to use the Village Voice back in the 90's to find some very nice brothels with women of all types of ethnicity. Some hidden in very nice neighborhoods. Also, you could use the yellow pages of the phone book with pages and pages of escort services. Call one up, get a reasonable description of girls available and have one at your apartment within an hour usually for between two and three hundred dollars. There was even one place that I used frequently and they changed their name and raised their rates, but if I called and told them I was a client of the old name, they'd give me the original rate. Good times!
Yeah, and don’t forget “The New York Press,” in the late nineties competing with The Village Voice for those gal ads.

And, the sex ad floodgates blasted wide open when Craigslist offered the ability to offer sex ads, free of charge, almost instantly. At that point in time, around 2004, the number of girls advertising was mind-blowing because a girl not in the business, really, but needed fast money while boyfriend was away, posted for a few minutes, gathered clients, and then retracted the ad.

There were hundreds of freelance girls then available in their apartments far below market prices.

But, I pray to the “Gods of Prostitution,” and they do exist in some cultures, that the Jackson Heights-Roosevelt-Flushing scene be preserved in its present format. Because, it is the last bastion of “The GOOD Ole’ Days” in this area, and quite frankly in any other area.
 
#23
And, I swear to God, as I wrote that, I knew that was coming back to haunt me. I just didn’t know which one of you fancy diners would be offended.
Alas, as I also have found out to my dismay, the edit feature where you can edit a post just made is limited to 5 minutes.

For some reason, a faux pas only becomes crystal clear at 5 minutes and one second after you press Post Reply
 
#24
An excellent compare/contrast with New York forty years ago.

I also moved here in the 80s. The thing I miss most are the non-Asian massage parlors and brothels (not that I don't appreciate the Asian outfits). New York Magazine had an excellent and mostly upscale "adult services" ad section where you could find indies and smaller operations. The Village Voice also had a great ad section, especially for escort agencies, as did Screw Magazine--although you had to be careful with Screw. Alas, all of those resources have been purged by the Puritans and, to my mind, the internet just doesn't quite measure up.

I also loved xxxxccxxx in the early part of this century. It was like the Wild West--put a (free) posting up and you'd have a half dozen responses within the hour. Some amazing freelancers.

The ID screening and recommendation requirements is also unduly onerous for a hobby that is principally about discretion.

Finally, let me add my enduring love for the Harmony. It was the sexiest, dirtiest place on earth. It opened at noon and closed at midnight and for $10--later $20--you could stay there the whole time and experience the best strippers and lap dancers in the history of the form. There will never be anything like it again.
So much wet pussy in both locations; sadly Chelsea and Tribeca will never ever offer such goodness again. By the way, the "Burlesque" sign above the former Harmony, still adorns the facade of the Church Street location.
 
#27
WARNING: Old(ish) Man Rant Below:

Boy has it become a serious pain in the ass being a monger in this city. I feel bad for the young horny guys who don’t know any better - overpaying for low end mongering, giving up their privacy and just having to work to way too hard at something that used be so easy even without cell phones much less the internet.

When I was a teen in the early 80’s I got off a Greyhound bus at the Port Authority, stepped out onto 8th Avenue and right into the porn theater across the street. I plunked into my aisle seat and within a minute a hottie walks up and offers a $10 (I think) BJ. So less than 15’ after arriving in NYC I was blowing a load in some pretty mouth while watching John Holmes drive his big (for the time) schlong deep into the great late Seka. How cool was that. No BS. Easy. Memorable.

Many here have reminisced about the Harmony. I went there many times in the 90’s. Simple. Open room. Chicks everywhere. Your pick. Best hard grinding lap dances ever (especially if like me you showed up in shorts or sweats). Hands free to roam over soft flesh and maybe an orifice (or two). Extras to be had. Always satisfying. No BS. You just walk in. Get your satisfaction. Walk out maybe $80 bucks lighter with your oversized shirt covering the wet spot on your shorts/sweats.

Although I have been able to afford scheduled incalls sessions with smoking high end whores for the last 20 years, there are many times after a business dinner or just a late night in the office when your affliction demands some pussy NOW. Had a pretty reliable $200 routine in recent years. Check UG for the 5 or 6 active Midtown AMPs like the highly reliable MyAsianGFE (Thanks UG!). Call or text. Pick an available girl from a usually reliable online line up. And boom, usually within 30-40 minutes, you’re pounding the shit out of a cute Asian pixie pussy (and occasionally ass) who seems to relish eating your ass and doing some trademark gymnastic position before taking your load with a smile like a champ. Pretty simple. Decent value. Very reliable.

Ten years ago you could go to a restaurant in Koreatown and when done just ask to be directed to a mini brothel upstairs or around the corner and boom, within a few minutes for $200 (max) you are working off the Korean bbq banging some hottie. Simple. Easy. Decent value. Reliable. I think that’s history now (except perhaps for local Asian guys).

So now to the present. After taking nearly 2 pandemic years off from the hobby, I decided to head back in the game, triple vaxxed. Reconnecting with my high end regulars (and some new ones) went fine. A bit more uppity online and on Twitter (“last guy bought me some Louboutins”), definitely pricier ($800-$1000 vs $500-$600) but nicer rooms and many take Bitcoin which is great.

So what about getting off at AMPs when the spontaneous urge arises? Holy fuck have they have become a pain in the ass and now $320?! Seriously?! The other night I texted 5 of the AMPs pinned on the UG NY forum, always including my UG/P411/*** handle which used to be sufficient for new clients and often led to special attention and service. After taking their jolly old time, four of the five demanded bullshit screening using some combination of DL photo, LinkedIn profile, work email, business card, credit card(!), insurance card (not kidding), selfie, screenshot of P411 profile, ethnicity, etc. It’s one thing for a $1000 escort working solo in an decent apartment to aggressively “screen” (fortunately I have solid references and enough P411 okays that I don’t have to screen anymore). But to hand over private personally identifiable info to a low end criminal enterprise for a low end affair in a borderline shithole place under constant threat of LE? Fuck that shit. Might has well send the same info in response to a spam phishing email or phone call. No way in hell will I ever do that.

To put exclamation mark on the night, one of the five (YourAsianDesires) did not request any screening. Thinking maybe at least one of these joints accepted its bottom feeding spot in the whore mongering ecosystem, I walked the 20 blocks to the address provided (it was a nice evening and needed to get in the steps!). After ghosting me on text for 10-15’ past the appointment time, the MMS (or assistant) came to the glass door and demanded I show ID. Told her I didn’t have it (been doing this long enough to only show up with cash, condoms and phone), that I wouldn’t show it even if I did and that I was pissed as hell that they didn’t tell me they screened for ID BEFORE I walked the 20 blocks there. Walked away and texted that I would describe my experience on UG. They begged me to come back next day for a discounted session, etc. Told them no fucking way.

So that appears to be sad state of monger affairs in NYC heading into 2022, forty years after my memorable teenage porno theater BJ. Spontaneous, no questions asked, bada bing bada boom, slam that pussy mongering is apparently gone for good. This old(ish) dude is just going to stick with the scheduled high end girls and let the memories of how great the spontaneous stuff used to be. For those of you who don’t know better or choose to go along with things as they are, more power to you. I just don’t have the time or energy for the escalating BS and the poor value for your money of the current AMP scene.

Old(ish) man rant over!!!
Thanks for taking me back to those earlier days. I’ll never forget heading to the big city from Queens in my teens and walking past one of those theaters and instantly having a gorgeous girl on you doing whatever you wanted! Times sure have changed and I could mention all the spots I miss, but Korea town was special as well. $200 for some of the most attractive Asian woman I had ever seen, some were really top shelf for bargain prices. I agree they make you jump for hoops like never before it’s just not worth it.
 
#29
The "Burlesque" sign was still on the building as of a couple of months ago. My understanding is the "Burlesque" sign actually predates the Harmony. The Harmony, to my recollection never had its own signage.
The Harmony had a folding metal sign it would put on the sidewalk in front of the door. It's possible that location was some kind of theater before the Harmony moved in--there was a stage with a proscenium arch on the main floor which the owner of the Harmony obviously didn't erect since it was unlit and the dancers never used it.
 
#30
I was thinking about this plastic mongering society that we live in today, when compared to our forefathers’ natural and wholesome and holistic mongering environment. And, it is nothing less than a travesty.

Now, we choose from embellished data profiles, and enhanced digital images off of a smartphone.

What monger worth his salt would prefer this present state-of-the-art environment
over our noble forefathers’ mongering activity of visiting the open red light districts of yesteryear.

In those traditional settings, a monger is able to be up close and interact with all the ladies of the night, who put time and attention into their appearances, adorning themselves specifically to garner and vie for your attention and approval.

The energy, magnetism, and pageantry creates a true satisfying organic experience from start to finish.

it is like a chef in the old world, who would go to the open produce and wet markets, and shop leisurely, smelling, tasting, viewing all the ingredients, produce, spices, meats, poultry, fish and eggs, (and the analogy is very appropriate in comparison to ladies. who come in all shapes, sizes, tastes, textures and demeanors) and choosing the very best that matches his needs and budget to prepare the meal and eat it.

In some Asian markets, a pimp with a competing stable of fine prancing phillies will wait until the prescribed hour, when the local law enforcement, who is in their pocket, anyway, leaves after making their cursory scan of the known and busy red light district, finding not a trace of illegal activity.

Instantly, the door to the stable opens, and out gallops the pride of the orient, young, fresh, sassy, and confident, having spent the last two hours primping and putting the final touches on their appearances, both what you see and what you don’t see until you are united in the suite.

The face and hair glittered and tinted in different rainbow colors, manicured and tinselled finger and toe nails, cutely matched clothing and heels.

And, when secured for mounting privileges, oftentimes revealing an exquisitely groomed, tinted and manicured pussy, that a monger of any proper breeding, would never hastily attack and pound, without properly admiring her time and effort to make your Johnson’s visit memorable.

And all competing frantically for the privilege of sharing their ambiance with a lackluster common joe, sometimes unshaven
and unbathed after a 12 hour shift, but with the necessary capital to fund the event.

And, back in the early 80’s, way west on 42nd Street, the young streetwalkers, WOC, were damned good looking gals, lean and fit, and dressed so sexy in short-short skirts and short-short shorts, and in the winter, that unique technique of wearing a warm fur winter coat, with absolutely nothing underneath it, and just flash you as you drive by, to the point where the mere glory of her natural physique was so tantalizing, that your sense of duty to job and home were temporarily hijacked to the point where for $20, you just could not resist a good time for a good deal. Just had to be careful to hide your wallet, because many were out to roll you good.

Yeah, I do prefer the “Good ole’ Days.”
 
#31
I never cared for streetwalkers. What I loved, among other attractions, was the old escort services: pre-internet (no pictures) you would call, describe the type of lady you'd like to see and what you wanted them to wear, they would tell you who they had who fit the bill and an hour later a taxi would pull out and a pretty well-dressed lady would step out. I loved waiting at the window of my apartment for that moment--it was always a surprise, and usually a very pleasant one. I can count on one hand the number of bad experiences I had. I don't recall all the agencies I used, but I have fond memories of one called Bel Air.
 
#32
I never cared for streetwalkers. What I loved, among other attractions, was the old escort services: pre-internet (no pictures) you would call, describe the type of lady you'd like to see and what you wanted them to wear, they would tell you who they had who fit the bill and an hour later a taxi would pull out and a pretty well-dressed lady would step out. I loved waiting at the window of my apartment for that moment--it was always a surprise, and usually a very pleasant one. I can count on one hand the number of bad experiences I had. I don't recall all the agencies I used, but I have fond memories of one called Bel Air.
That's exactly what I was talking about in my post above. I didn't have an apartment that looked out over the street, but I can't even describe how great that feeling was when there was a knock on the door, and I knew I was about to open it and see a beautiful woman whom I'd never seen before on the other side, and know that I was about to fuck her! Oh, so amazing, and almost never disappointed.

I even did it a number of times at my parent's house here on the island when they were out of town. I wouldn't look out the window, I would just wait for that moment to open the door!

Of course, even if that experience was still around, I wouldn't be able to do it now what with an SO and neighbors around. At my parent's house we didn't have across the street neighbors, and the neighbors to either side really didn't interact with us, so I had no worries of being discovered.
 
#33
I was thinking about this plastic mongering society that we live in today, when compared to our forefathers’ natural and wholesome and holistic mongering environment. And, it is nothing less than a travesty.

Now, we choose from embellished data profiles, and enhanced digital images off of a smartphone.

What monger worth his salt would prefer this present state-of-the-art environment
over our noble forefathers’ mongering activity of visiting the open red light districts of yesteryear.

In those traditional settings, a monger is able to be up close and interact with all the ladies of the night, who put time and attention into their appearances, adorning themselves specifically to garner and vie for your attention and approval.

The energy, magnetism, and pageantry creates a true satisfying organic experience from start to finish.

it is like a chef in the old world, who would go to the open produce and wet markets, and shop leisurely, smelling, tasting, viewing all the ingredients, produce, spices, meats, poultry, fish and eggs, (and the analogy is very appropriate in comparison to ladies. who come in all shapes, sizes, tastes, textures and demeanors) and choosing the very best that matches his needs and budget to prepare the meal and eat it.

In some Asian markets, a pimp with a competing stable of fine prancing phillies will wait until the prescribed hour, when the local law enforcement, who is in their pocket, anyway, leaves after making their cursory scan of the known and busy red light district, finding not a trace of illegal activity.

Instantly, the door to the stable opens, and out gallops the pride of the orient, young, fresh, sassy, and confident, having spent the last two hours primping and putting the final touches on their appearances, both what you see and what you don’t see until you are united in the suite.

The face and hair glittered and tinted in different rainbow colors, manicured and tinselled finger and toe nails, cutely matched clothing and heels.

And, when secured for mounting privileges, oftentimes revealing an exquisitely groomed, tinted and manicured pussy, that a monger of any proper breeding, would never hastily attack and pound, without properly admiring her time and effort to make your Johnson’s visit memorable.

And all competing frantically for the privilege of sharing their ambiance with a lackluster common joe, sometimes unshaven
and unbathed after a 12 hour shift, but with the necessary capital to fund the event.

And, back in the early 80’s, way west on 42nd Street, the young streetwalkers, WOC, were damned good looking gals, lean and fit, and dressed so sexy in short-short skirts and short-short shorts, and in the winter, that unique technique of wearing a warm fur winter coat, with absolutely nothing underneath it, and just flash you as you drive by, to the point where the mere glory of her natural physique was so tantalizing, that your sense of duty to job and home were temporarily hijacked to the point where for $20, you just could not resist a good time for a good deal. Just had to be careful to hide your wallet, because many were out to roll you good.

Yeah, I do prefer the “Good ole’ Days.”
Best part about today over yesteryear is most providers are clean shaven.
 
#35
I was thinking about this plastic mongering society that we live in today, when compared to our forefathers’ natural and wholesome and holistic mongering environment. And, it is nothing less than a travesty.

Now, we choose from embellished data profiles, and enhanced digital images off of a smartphone.

What monger worth his salt would prefer this present state-of-the-art environment
over our noble forefathers’ mongering activity of visiting the open red light districts of yesteryear.

In those traditional settings, a monger is able to be up close and interact with all the ladies of the night, who put time and attention into their appearances, adorning themselves specifically to garner and vie for your attention and approval.

The energy, magnetism, and pageantry creates a true satisfying organic experience from start to finish.

it is like a chef in the old world, who would go to the open produce and wet markets, and shop leisurely, smelling, tasting, viewing all the ingredients, produce, spices, meats, poultry, fish and eggs, (and the analogy is very appropriate in comparison to ladies. who come in all shapes, sizes, tastes, textures and demeanors) and choosing the very best that matches his needs and budget to prepare the meal and eat it.

In some Asian markets, a pimp with a competing stable of fine prancing phillies will wait until the prescribed hour, when the local law enforcement, who is in their pocket, anyway, leaves after making their cursory scan of the known and busy red light district, finding not a trace of illegal activity.

Instantly, the door to the stable opens, and out gallops the pride of the orient, young, fresh, sassy, and confident, having spent the last two hours primping and putting the final touches on their appearances, both what you see and what you don’t see until you are united in the suite.

The face and hair glittered and tinted in different rainbow colors, manicured and tinselled finger and toe nails, cutely matched clothing and heels.

And, when secured for mounting privileges, oftentimes revealing an exquisitely groomed, tinted and manicured pussy, that a monger of any proper breeding, would never hastily attack and pound, without properly admiring her time and effort to make your Johnson’s visit memorable.

And all competing frantically for the privilege of sharing their ambiance with a lackluster common joe, sometimes unshaven
and unbathed after a 12 hour shift, but with the necessary capital to fund the event.

And, back in the early 80’s, way west on 42nd Street, the young streetwalkers, WOC, were damned good looking gals, lean and fit, and dressed so sexy in short-short skirts and short-short shorts, and in the winter, that unique technique of wearing a warm fur winter coat, with absolutely nothing underneath it, and just flash you as you drive by, to the point where the mere glory of her natural physique was so tantalizing, that your sense of duty to job and home were temporarily hijacked to the point where for $20, you just could not resist a good time for a good deal. Just had to be careful to hide your wallet, because many were out to roll you good.

Yeah, I do prefer the “Good ole’ Days.”
That was a good read. I especially liked the line about our noble forefathers.
 

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#39
All this good old day talk is pretty amusing.

When I first started on Usenet’s asp and then traveled elsewhere, market transparency was just getting started. Everyone was euphoric that they didn’t have to deal with scams, hustles, and dead fish anymore.

Of course, that was already the late 90’s.
 
#40
In the 80s/90s the block around the Plaza Hotel was a serious hooker stroll. Also the East 20s near Lexington. There was a lap dance place called the Pink Pussycat in that neighborhood--it wasn't bad, but small and crowded--that's where I first heard of the Harmony. The first time I went to the Harmony (on Church Street) it was dark as a cave and I freaked out and left. I tried it a few months later and learned you had to let your eyes adjust to the dark, which is kind of an incredible circumstance. The first time I went there I met an amazing dancer named Cricket (hard to forget that name)--tall, white, American, black hair--I think she tried to get me to take her home and pay her a couple thousand for the occasion. I was too ignorant of the etiquette of the place to agree or even to really understand and have regretted it ever since.

Later I met an Eastern European dancer named Taboo--tall, curly red hair, unbelievably beautiful body--who is the greatest erotic dancer I've ever met. I think back on her happily and always wish her well, wherever she turned up.
 
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