I am a bad, bad, bad little Troll
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K.S.
Because Karma actually applies in the world of college hoops,your banishment means that Stanford will get bounced from the first round of the NCAA tourney by mighty Weber State and in the future, hip white guys with bounce in their legs will head east and play for John Thompson's son @ Princeton(cheered on of course by Ms Claudy)*.
Please permit some time for this cosmic phenomenon to take effect.
* topical reference to sex worker placed to mollify those annoyed by too many sports references on this board.
Because Karma actually applies in the world of college hoops,your banishment means that Stanford will get bounced from the first round of the NCAA tourney by mighty Weber State and in the future, hip white guys with bounce in their legs will head east and play for John Thompson's son @ Princeton(cheered on of course by Ms Claudy)*.
Please permit some time for this cosmic phenomenon to take effect.
* topical reference to sex worker placed to mollify those annoyed by too many sports references on this board.
No, I'm afraid I don't see the justice in that scenario, either.
I want to see those silly trees beaten, for the next six years, by Cal, UCkLA, *AND* U$C.
And I want the bright young athletes to play for Penn, please.
You know, when I bartended in West Philly, I had a "free beer for Bears" policy. I shoulda done that as a prostitute, too. Only, not free beer.
[Edited by K.S. on 02-20-2001 at 06:02 PM]
I want to see those silly trees beaten, for the next six years, by Cal, UCkLA, *AND* U$C.
And I want the bright young athletes to play for Penn, please.
You know, when I bartended in West Philly, I had a "free beer for Bears" policy. I shoulda done that as a prostitute, too. Only, not free beer.
[Edited by K.S. on 02-20-2001 at 06:02 PM]
I actually have very mixed feelings about college sports in general. I sometimes feel a little ashamed of Cal for being in the Pac-10. I'd much rather be in a league like the Ivy League, where there are no overt athletic scholarships. I enjoy myself at Penn games, even though the level of play is nowhere near what you see with schools like Duke or Stanford play. I feel good knowing that those kids are getting a good education as well as having fun playing ball.
Pro sports use colleges as incubators for their athletes, and that ticks me off.
Alumni care too much about their school's athletic glory, so giving is affected by whether or not they go to the championship/bowl game/whatever.
I wonder if I'd feel better about the whole thing if Cal won all the time at everything? I'm not sure!
Pro sports use colleges as incubators for their athletes, and that ticks me off.
Alumni care too much about their school's athletic glory, so giving is affected by whether or not they go to the championship/bowl game/whatever.
I wonder if I'd feel better about the whole thing if Cal won all the time at everything? I'm not sure!
where there are no overt athletic scholarships
Overt being the operative word, right?
Pro sports use colleges as incubators for their athletes
Much better to leave them to incubate then to pull them out of high school, no?
Alumni care too much about their school's athletic glory
And schools care way too much about the money that alumni send in based on said glory.
getting a good education as well as having fun playing ball
And that's really the issue, right?
Overt being the operative word, right?
Pro sports use colleges as incubators for their athletes
Much better to leave them to incubate then to pull them out of high school, no?
Alumni care too much about their school's athletic glory
And schools care way too much about the money that alumni send in based on said glory.
getting a good education as well as having fun playing ball
And that's really the issue, right?
First, a disclaimer: I have only recently begun to watch basketball. It has been a concious effort, on my part, to become more "guy friendly" by learning to watch sports. I have discovered that being interested in college basketball will make you well nigh irresistable to men.
But, I don't know much about basketball. Yet. I intend to become a world authority on it. And why not?
Oh, and my responses are interspersed within the quotes below, although the font doesn't look like it.
OK:
KS: Yes, that is the issue. I worry that education is sacrificed for athletics at too many schools.
KS: Although, the two or three people I know who were serious athletes in college went to very good schools and were very good students, I think they are not typical.
[Edited by K.S. on 02-23-2001 at 01:47 PM]
But, I don't know much about basketball. Yet. I intend to become a world authority on it. And why not?
Oh, and my responses are interspersed within the quotes below, although the font doesn't look like it.
OK:
KS: Yes, that is the issue. I worry that education is sacrificed for athletics at too many schools.
KS: Although, the two or three people I know who were serious athletes in college went to very good schools and were very good students, I think they are not typical.
[Edited by K.S. on 02-23-2001 at 01:47 PM]
It is extremely difficult to succeed in just about any varsity sport at an academically rigorous school while carrying a "serious" major. No, I am not talking about hockey players at Cornell who major in Canadian geography, I'm referring to, say, an engineering or science or math major at a highly selective school who is a starter on a major sports team (baseball, hoops, or football) or even swimming, gymnastics, soccer, hockey, etc.
Student-athletes who are successful academically (e.g., able to go on to graduate or professional school) are to be greatly admired -- relatively few people can do it.
Student-athletes who are successful academically (e.g., able to go on to graduate or professional school) are to be greatly admired -- relatively few people can do it.
KS - be carefull, my ex gf started watching bball only when it became aparent that I wasn't going to stop, and now she's more passionate (last time I checked) about the game than I am.
Regarding recruiting an athlete vs recruiting a student who plays sports... agreed, but I think that this is a distinction in the heads of academic administrators and kids more than anyone else.
Colleges as incubators: Pro sports are a business, I don't think it's unreasonable for a business to expect its professional employees to have a college aducation. The job of an athlete extends well beyond the field and court as they become spokesmen for the business itself. Just looking at the NBA we see that when players come strait from h.s they seem to have a higher incidence of immaturity (surprise), instability (surprise), and lack of respect for authority (surprise). In fact, it's becomming such an issue that the NBA is talking about requiring kids to attend at least a little college. Beyond that, I think it's a horrible idea to give a $20M check to some 18 year old kid especially if that kid hasn't had much of an education. As far as that last bit about the SAT, I'll take it by 'SAT' you mean a slew of rigorous academic standards which truly measure an individuals ability to suceed in college and are especially better at this measurement than a stupid test that time and time again has been shown to be a measure of family income more than anything els, OK?
Schools need money, agreed. But should a school sacrafice its long range vision and academic integrity in the pursuit of funding for its long range vision and academic advancement?
I have no idea what Cal's donations look like, but around here alumni give tons to UT and Texas A&M which are both less expensive than Berkely. Maybe you guys just graduate too many academics who don't make any money... Stanford has a hell of a business school to get donations from, right? (to be clear this is mostly said in a joking tone)
Regarding recruiting an athlete vs recruiting a student who plays sports... agreed, but I think that this is a distinction in the heads of academic administrators and kids more than anyone else.
Colleges as incubators: Pro sports are a business, I don't think it's unreasonable for a business to expect its professional employees to have a college aducation. The job of an athlete extends well beyond the field and court as they become spokesmen for the business itself. Just looking at the NBA we see that when players come strait from h.s they seem to have a higher incidence of immaturity (surprise), instability (surprise), and lack of respect for authority (surprise). In fact, it's becomming such an issue that the NBA is talking about requiring kids to attend at least a little college. Beyond that, I think it's a horrible idea to give a $20M check to some 18 year old kid especially if that kid hasn't had much of an education. As far as that last bit about the SAT, I'll take it by 'SAT' you mean a slew of rigorous academic standards which truly measure an individuals ability to suceed in college and are especially better at this measurement than a stupid test that time and time again has been shown to be a measure of family income more than anything els, OK?
Schools need money, agreed. But should a school sacrafice its long range vision and academic integrity in the pursuit of funding for its long range vision and academic advancement?
I have no idea what Cal's donations look like, but around here alumni give tons to UT and Texas A&M which are both less expensive than Berkely. Maybe you guys just graduate too many academics who don't make any money... Stanford has a hell of a business school to get donations from, right? (to be clear this is mostly said in a joking tone)
