GREED- is this a good or bad thing!
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It depends on how you measure "success". Even for commissioned sales peple, the $ they rake in may not be the indicator of how "good" they are. I have know MANY commissioned sales people who made good $, but got terrible client reviews, did little repeat business, burnt out quickly, and went on to a new line, only to do the same thing all over again.
I don't know any business where, if greed is your only motivator, you get high grades from your customers. In service businesses, the biggest key to repreat business is customer satisfaction. If you're in it for the long run, you have to be operatiing under some paradigm that gets the customer what they need ( in one way or another ).
OTOH, someone who trips over themselves to provide service above all else will shortchange themselves/their company. In this business the example would be the indy who is so affraid of being labelled a "clock watcher" that she gives 4 hour appointments and only asks for the 1 hour rate. Her customers will give her high marks for service, but she won't make the $ she should, and will attract, in general, a crowd of less than ideal clients.
One of the biggest disadvantages of being an independant is that it's very hard to "run your business like a business" and also get high marks for service. It is MUCH easier for a lady to focus on service, while someone else focuses on the business end. I would bet that if you were looking solely at the $ ( i.e. greed ), you would find that women who worked for agencies ( at the same "level", etc - whatever that means ), agency women make more than independants. To me, that's the largest single indicator that independants are not greedy. Either that or they are deluding themselves about the $. Of course, this isn't true for all independants. There are some which for on reason or another ( age, body type, etc. ) would not be hired by agencies even though they might be "good providers" ( what an ironic phraseology ! ), at least not at the $ level which they "exist" as independants. Generally, I would think, this includes ladies who offer a very high ;eve; of service, which would be hard for an agency to "sell", as different from their other "workers".
Anyway, as a result I think that the reasons for independants to be independant, should be other than "greed".
I don't know any business where, if greed is your only motivator, you get high grades from your customers. In service businesses, the biggest key to repreat business is customer satisfaction. If you're in it for the long run, you have to be operatiing under some paradigm that gets the customer what they need ( in one way or another ).
OTOH, someone who trips over themselves to provide service above all else will shortchange themselves/their company. In this business the example would be the indy who is so affraid of being labelled a "clock watcher" that she gives 4 hour appointments and only asks for the 1 hour rate. Her customers will give her high marks for service, but she won't make the $ she should, and will attract, in general, a crowd of less than ideal clients.
One of the biggest disadvantages of being an independant is that it's very hard to "run your business like a business" and also get high marks for service. It is MUCH easier for a lady to focus on service, while someone else focuses on the business end. I would bet that if you were looking solely at the $ ( i.e. greed ), you would find that women who worked for agencies ( at the same "level", etc - whatever that means ), agency women make more than independants. To me, that's the largest single indicator that independants are not greedy. Either that or they are deluding themselves about the $. Of course, this isn't true for all independants. There are some which for on reason or another ( age, body type, etc. ) would not be hired by agencies even though they might be "good providers" ( what an ironic phraseology ! ), at least not at the $ level which they "exist" as independants. Generally, I would think, this includes ladies who offer a very high ;eve; of service, which would be hard for an agency to "sell", as different from their other "workers".
Anyway, as a result I think that the reasons for independants to be independant, should be other than "greed".
geez carl...
are you trying to tell us something...?
what is your thought on this area..?
product demand or other...
i know guy will have something to say about it.. love his lengthy info mercials..
BUt what are you really asking here..? i love to have the inside scoop of your thoughts as always sugar!!!!!
hugzz
xxoo
Dawn
are you trying to tell us something...?
what is your thought on this area..?
product demand or other...
i know guy will have something to say about it.. love his lengthy info mercials..
BUt what are you really asking here..? i love to have the inside scoop of your thoughts as always sugar!!!!!
hugzz
xxoo
Dawn
What Im driving at is there have been a few times- where I have been shortchanged by a provider( the providers prime motivation is to get that money from you and even if corners are cut, the hell with you)- like all of us. At that point in time the thought of retiring enters my mind, because I feel is this all worth it, why waste money- its like throwing it in the toilet bowl. Granted this happens rarely, but when it does Greed is a horrible thing!!
short, but sweet ...
that's because you are a woman of cultivation, charm, and discernment, my Cajun Queen ...
here is my response:
if the guy is a typical jag member, or like one, then EMPTY HIS WALLET!
if on the other hand he is a romantically inclined writer/photographer, or the like, then use the proceeds derived from category 1 to provide category 2 with a deep discount.
it's simple
that's because you are a woman of cultivation, charm, and discernment, my Cajun Queen ...
here is my response:
if the guy is a typical jag member, or like one, then EMPTY HIS WALLET!
if on the other hand he is a romantically inclined writer/photographer, or the like, then use the proceeds derived from category 1 to provide category 2 with a deep discount.
it's simple
Re: short, but sweet ...
UP YOURS ASSHOLE!!
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if the guy is a typical jag member, or like one, then EMPTY HIS WALLET!
if on the other hand he is a romantically inclined writer/photographer, or the like, then use the proceeds derived from category 1 to provide category 2 with a deep discount.
it's simple
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I was asked to refrain from baiting you, but your answer is pure fucking bullshit!!
You're here for the same fucking reason the rest of us guys are here for to get laid. Yet you act like some pompous egotistical asshole looking down your nose at the rest of us as if we are some foul substance that you desire to scrape off the bottom of your shoe
I assume that you put yourself in that second category, of the romantically inclined writer/photographer, as if you are somehow better then the rest of us and only because of that you should be charged less. FUCK YOU!!.
UP YOURS ASSHOLE!!
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if the guy is a typical jag member, or like one, then EMPTY HIS WALLET!
if on the other hand he is a romantically inclined writer/photographer, or the like, then use the proceeds derived from category 1 to provide category 2 with a deep discount.
it's simple
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I was asked to refrain from baiting you, but your answer is pure fucking bullshit!!
You're here for the same fucking reason the rest of us guys are here for to get laid. Yet you act like some pompous egotistical asshole looking down your nose at the rest of us as if we are some foul substance that you desire to scrape off the bottom of your shoe
I assume that you put yourself in that second category, of the romantically inclined writer/photographer, as if you are somehow better then the rest of us and only because of that you should be charged less. FUCK YOU!!.
It is difficult to get in between Phantom and GC here, {especially because I am not a provider } because I have communicated privately with both, and because I find each of them insightful and refreshing in many ways. So, my response may be too tepid for either. Nonetheless, I believe there is room for further conversation.
Phantom, I hope that GC is pulling your chain. If he is not, then your indignation is not only appropriate, but rather mild. Although his language is inflated with, perhaps, too many philosophical allusions, mine is as well. I believe that he genuinely offers substance to the hobby and that his posts must be read through a lense of sarcasm and deconstruction. Maybe I am deluding myself, and I am willing to consider any criticism to the contrary.
GC, Phantom has been through a great deal. I have as well, recently, along similar lines. Playing a role can wear on one's nerves, even if you are doing it in good fun. Some of us have actually become infatuated, or even more attached, to a "provider." That affects all aspects of our nexus to the hobby.
We should be able to joke and comment about expense, GFE status, incall v. outcall, and independent v agency, but we need to have some kind of common bond, where we do not unduly demean each other.
I have recently refrained from putting my own personal feelings and relationships on this, or any other, board. The last time I did, someone attacked my mother. Are we as evil as the religious right thinks we are?
Rather than attack each other, maybe we should unite against those who vilify us.
I am ready for rebuttals, my all time GFE postponed a get together once again.
} because I have communicated privately with both, and because I find each of them insightful and refreshing in many ways. So, my response may be too tepid for either. Nonetheless, I believe there is room for further conversation. Phantom, I hope that GC is pulling your chain. If he is not, then your indignation is not only appropriate, but rather mild. Although his language is inflated with, perhaps, too many philosophical allusions, mine is as well. I believe that he genuinely offers substance to the hobby and that his posts must be read through a lense of sarcasm and deconstruction. Maybe I am deluding myself, and I am willing to consider any criticism to the contrary.
GC, Phantom has been through a great deal. I have as well, recently, along similar lines. Playing a role can wear on one's nerves, even if you are doing it in good fun. Some of us have actually become infatuated, or even more attached, to a "provider." That affects all aspects of our nexus to the hobby.
We should be able to joke and comment about expense, GFE status, incall v. outcall, and independent v agency, but we need to have some kind of common bond, where we do not unduly demean each other.
I have recently refrained from putting my own personal feelings and relationships on this, or any other, board. The last time I did, someone attacked my mother. Are we as evil as the religious right thinks we are?
Rather than attack each other, maybe we should unite against those who vilify us.
I am ready for rebuttals, my all time GFE postponed a get together once again.
jmcurry,
i would be glad to rebut you now, but for the fact that i just retrieved from the lab the cd of some photographs i shot of a well known cybercourtesan this past weekend.
and then, as i was opening up the files in photoshop to do some postproduction work on them, i received an email from her requesting that i review some material she has recently written.
in some not insignificant sense, her work is a continuation of Plato's Symposium. as an idealist, i am, perforce, a Platonist to some degree. i therefore must attend to this happy task she has set for me without delay. but, i will return to your challenge anon.
guy
i would be glad to rebut you now, but for the fact that i just retrieved from the lab the cd of some photographs i shot of a well known cybercourtesan this past weekend.
and then, as i was opening up the files in photoshop to do some postproduction work on them, i received an email from her requesting that i review some material she has recently written.
in some not insignificant sense, her work is a continuation of Plato's Symposium. as an idealist, i am, perforce, a Platonist to some degree. i therefore must attend to this happy task she has set for me without delay. but, i will return to your challenge anon.
guy
GC, why do you do this?
If you're that fucking brilliant, then I think you ought to find a more suitable message board to do your little dance on.
One of the reasons, I now realize, I stayed at the Golden Gypsy for so many years was that I got to be "the smart one." Sure, I'm a clever little monkey - but: to paraphrase Malcome X -
Q) Do you know what they call a prostitute with a BA in art history?
A) A whore!
Why on EARTH does it matter if a provider has an interest or an opinion on Plato? Does that make her a better lay? Sure, it might be nice to pass the time with someone whose interests go beyond Jerry Springer, but you have GOT to STOP being infatuated with these silly superficial things!
Listen, you have a FETISH. I mean, it would turn YOU on to find a girl with a European accent and an acquaintance with Foucault - who also, very conveniently, would suck your dick for money. How is that any more elevated and noble than having a fetish for chicks with big feet? It's OK to be attracted to the women you like, but you have to understand that you are not going to be winning any arguments by claiming that you're a better trick than the other guys.
I used to have customers who thought I was cute because I was so precocious and clever. I didn't necessarily respect or like them any more than the blue-collar guys who liked me just because I was friendly and gave good head.
Disclaimer: You're a nice fellow, and you've never done anything to hurt me. I'm sure you also recognize that I have no real stake here - I am not going to make more or less money based on the persona I portray. I just feel ridiculously compelled to argue with you because you approach everything from a completely different angle than I approach life, myself.
[Edited by K.S. on 02-26-2001 at 10:14 PM]
If you're that fucking brilliant, then I think you ought to find a more suitable message board to do your little dance on.
One of the reasons, I now realize, I stayed at the Golden Gypsy for so many years was that I got to be "the smart one." Sure, I'm a clever little monkey - but: to paraphrase Malcome X -
Q) Do you know what they call a prostitute with a BA in art history?
A) A whore!
Why on EARTH does it matter if a provider has an interest or an opinion on Plato? Does that make her a better lay? Sure, it might be nice to pass the time with someone whose interests go beyond Jerry Springer, but you have GOT to STOP being infatuated with these silly superficial things!
Listen, you have a FETISH. I mean, it would turn YOU on to find a girl with a European accent and an acquaintance with Foucault - who also, very conveniently, would suck your dick for money. How is that any more elevated and noble than having a fetish for chicks with big feet? It's OK to be attracted to the women you like, but you have to understand that you are not going to be winning any arguments by claiming that you're a better trick than the other guys.
I used to have customers who thought I was cute because I was so precocious and clever. I didn't necessarily respect or like them any more than the blue-collar guys who liked me just because I was friendly and gave good head.
Disclaimer: You're a nice fellow, and you've never done anything to hurt me. I'm sure you also recognize that I have no real stake here - I am not going to make more or less money based on the persona I portray. I just feel ridiculously compelled to argue with you because you approach everything from a completely different angle than I approach life, myself.
[Edited by K.S. on 02-26-2001 at 10:14 PM]
Originally posted by K.S.:
GC,
........Listen, you have a FETISH. I mean, it would turn YOU on to find a girl with a European accent and an acquaintance with Foucault ....
i have; and, it does.
- who also, very conveniently, would suck your dick for money.
if you must know, it's the way she licks my nuts that i find most exciting.
How is that any more elevated and noble than having a fetish for chicks with big feet?
why can't i have both? her shoe size is 10.
...........You're a nice fellow,
{nods}
...and you've never done anything to hurt me.
{nods again}
I'm sure you also recognize that I have no real stake here - I am not going to make more or less money based on the persona I portray.
{nodding still}
I just feel ridiculously compelled to argue with you because you approach everything from a completely different angle than I approach life, myself.
i see.
GC,
........Listen, you have a FETISH. I mean, it would turn YOU on to find a girl with a European accent and an acquaintance with Foucault ....
i have; and, it does.
- who also, very conveniently, would suck your dick for money.
if you must know, it's the way she licks my nuts that i find most exciting.
How is that any more elevated and noble than having a fetish for chicks with big feet?
why can't i have both? her shoe size is 10.
...........You're a nice fellow,
{nods}
...and you've never done anything to hurt me.
{nods again}
I'm sure you also recognize that I have no real stake here - I am not going to make more or less money based on the persona I portray.
{nodding still}
I just feel ridiculously compelled to argue with you because you approach everything from a completely different angle than I approach life, myself.
i see.