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#41
Laps, you see I disagree here with Artie. It doesn't sound like you're having all that much fun. No offense but you've brought up the physical differential vis-a-vis your "hot" wife many times within this thread. Which is one reason why your swing club experiences aren't very satisfactory. The other wife is much less enthusiastic about the prospect of sex with *you* than her husband is with your wife.

It seems to me that you're working out this issue over and over again with these experiences. It's less about swinging than being cuckolded with your participation. A lot of anxiety, emotional, sexual, etc is in play. Be careful. It seems like you are playing with fire. As some others have commented in this thread, you have to have many issues worked out in a marriage before you can swing. I think something else is going on here.
 
#47
That would depend on the girls personal preference. I know girls that love the bigger the better (aka BillFurniture) and I know some whom do not like big ones at all. It is all a matter of preference. Me, I like them all.

LOL
 
#49
Laps -- despite the vaguely "Dear Penthouse Forum" nature of your latest post, I'm assuming that it's true. What troubles me about your stories is that your wife doesn't seem to give your feelings any consideration at all when she's caught up in the moment, though perhaps that is all part of the cuckold thrill. I know that when I'm engaged in any extra-marital funny biz, it's my wife's comfort/feelings that come first, as odd as that may sound.

Oh, and having shown this thread to my wife, she thought it was my duty to remind you that your spouse and I could fulfill both yours and my wife's fantasies with one fell swoop, so to speak. Two for the price of one!
 
#50
That would depend on the girls personal preference. I know girls that love the bigger the better (aka BillFurniture) and I know some whom do not like big ones at all. It is all a matter of preference. Me, I like them all.

LOL

Now Kelly, I know we are talking your stock in trade, but there has got to be some you don't like, just like there are some cars a mechanic doesn't like to fix. Or maybe I'm wrong; you could be universal.
 
#53
Sorry, I got busy and didn't have a chance to check this for a while.

Thanks to all the well-meaning people who advise caution. Yes, I do have some self-esteem issues about my looks. Yes, I do get jealous sometimes; Yes, my wife does get caught up in the moment.

Yes, I do get deeply, deeply, deeply turned on when I see her with other people.

This complex situation isn't going to magically become simple. If I told my wife I never wanted to swing again, I'm 100% sure she would agree to stop. In which case, it would turn into a continual fantasy and gnaw at me. Which I could probably live with -- but I would feel internal pressure to make things happen in real life.

Bottom line:

1) I'm not a totally secure person.
2) I'm turned on by this stuff to the same degree that a gay man is turned on by men or a boob-man is turned on by tits. It's not something that I can just forget about.
3) While I am insecure about certain things, I am NOT insecure about my marriage. I feel absolutely confident that -- if we're still alive -- my wife and I will still be together in 40 years. Maybe I'm deluded, but if so I'm sunk completely into the delusion and it DOES keep me from feeling insecure about the marriage. (By the way, most people we know -- even those who know about our lifestyle -- say the same thing: they comment about how strong our marriage is.)

Look: I was a geeky kid who didn't have a girlfriend until I was in my 20s. I'm always going to be insecure about my looks. I'd prefer to "play past that" and have some fun than to give into it and stay home.
 
#54
Laps, do it the way you want to. Others find difficulty in the hotel room story, and the image of sitting there watching for an hour while being ignored does sound excruciating to me. I'm not sure exactly how you felt about it, except that you were bored and feared upsetting your wife if you left or didn't pay attention.

Frankly she does seem to be getting a lot more action - it's easier for the woman to gain willing participants. Would you be interested in telling her you want in - to make a threesome e.g.? How do you think she would feel about that?
 
#55
Laps, you are an honest person, no question and that's refeshing. And no one should be judging you on how you want to conduct your sexual life with your wife or anything else for that matter. It just seems that there is so much anxiety associated with what you are doing. But is what you are doing really swinging or are you fulfilling a cuckold fantasy? Perhaps seeing it enacted right in front of you gives you some measure of control. Heady dangerous emotions, something like a roller coaster.
 
#56
You know, it's really funny. I participate on many online forums -- most of which are about tame topics like books, movies, etc. -- and I often get similar responses to some of the ones I've received here (and please understand that I'm not chastising anyone -- this has been a fun, helpful discussion). People often suspect that I have "issues" or that I'm not really enjoying something that I claim to enjoy.

Maybe this will put some things into perspective: culturally, I'm a New York, Woody-Allen-ish Jew. In other words, I'm not ashamed to be neurotic, and feeling completely comfortable is totally alien to me.

I continiually have what feels to me like Twilight Zone experiences, in which I confess to (what seems to me me like) garden-variety concerns and, whereas I expect people to say, "Yeah, I often feel that way, too," instead they tell me that I have issues; that I need serious therapy; etc.

Put another way, I'm a financialy successful person, but I worry about going broke; I'm healthy, but I worry about being sick; I've published several books, have several college degrees and have mastered a really complex job, but I continually feel I'm not very smart. Naturally, whether my wife fucks 40 other guys -- or just me -- I'm going to feel insecure about my love life. Why wouldn't I? I feel insecure about everything else in my life.

By the way, I also feel that I have the best marriage in the world; I feel that I'm brilliant; I feel incredibly successful; I feel brimming with health.

It just depends on the day.

I always figured most people are like that -- that most people aren't super confident or super anxious, but instead that most people vascilate between the two. Either I'm wrong about that or people are unwilling to show all sides of themsevles. Maybe people feel that if they don't admit to anxiety, they won't feel anxiety. "The power of positive thinking." That's fine, but it's not me. I feel more comfortable with honesty.

I agree that if you're going to open the your marriage, it would be best to be 100% secure, confident and without jelousy. Maybe there are people like that (who are also deeply in love with their spouces), but I've never met any of them. If they exist, they must be really rare. Frankly, I doubt I'd be comfortable around someone like that. That sounds like a animatronic. I'm more attracted to people with some imperfections.

Artie, my wife DOES get more action, but I should put things into perspective. Neither of us gets much action. We are way too busy. Due to the nature of this forum, you're only hearing about one facet of my life. But yes, of the tiny bit of action we get, she gets a larger piece of the pie. And often that's my doing.

Last year, I went to Vegas by myself (for work), and she called me in my hotel room and told me to hire an escort. I didn't do it. It sounded like fun, but I was too busy and too tired. When I got back, she was disappointed in me. When we go to lap dance clubs, she always wants to buy me dances. I let her, but I'm generally more interested in buying them for her and watching. I have some interest in an FFM threesome (and we've had fun doing that before), but I have zero interest in a MMF. Until I came, I had a blast watching her with that guy. But I would not have wanted to join it.

Again, the jealouy -- which is definitely there, though it isn't intense -- is part of the thrill. The best I can do is liken it to a roller-coaster ride.
 
#58
Laps, I am also a NYC born and bred Jew.

As I stated, my wife is not as adventurous as I would like. So, I enjoy the vicarious emplacement that your posts give me. My wife also told me to go hire an escort, but that's when she didn't want to participate in a particular act.
 
#60
laps your posts are refreshing. it seems like you are trying to integrate your needs and insecurities and desires into an honest open marriage. You are not in denial or disassociating your sexuality. Your perspective is honest and admirable.

I used to disassociate my time with providers from my time with my wife. Then my wife caught me. Since then I've tried to integrate my fantasy life with my wife. It's been a long slow process. In a way I feel guilty about my years of excess and denial. My sex life with my wife is much better since she found out and I've been more honest. It's much more passionate now.

I used to think that it would be unthinkable for me to condone my wife fucking someone else. I used to think that while I was fucking alot outside my marriage! Now I discuss my fantasies with my wife and she discusses hers. It's evolving and alive and fun. We still have not gone to a swingers club or invited anyone over, but some day soon it will probably happen. And also I too get turned on by the concept of my wife getting fucked by another guy, and especially of her being with another women.

It seems to be that the prevalent sexual attitude is hypocritical. Many people seem to be in denial or disassociating their various sex lives. Many seemed repressed. People seem afraid to be themselves. I figure we have only this life to live and it would be a shame to live someone else's professed morality instead of our own.

I'm not an advocate of complete honesty in a relationship. Out of kindness some things don't have to be said. But mutual respect and understanding is key. And redrawing boundaries and respecting them is a healthy thing to do. Anyway, these are my honest ramblings in response to your posts.
 
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