Decriminalization in NY

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Monty_monty

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Only means it will be highly regulated to make sure the government gets its cut of revenue; BBJ's [spit or swallow] no longer
GFE, the givernment will decide what's girlfriend behavior
BBFS [civ or pullout and body paint] also verboten
Mandatory daily testing, and results just in case [statistically a very low probability, but not nil]; gonna be hard to hide the money for girls, and testing from the significant other and the SO will be curious why so many tests when your arm is continually being drained of blood

Much like in California, Colorado and other states that legalized marijuana, the black markets have grown to avoid the taxes and regulations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/nyregion/presidential-candidates-prostitution.html
 
bighard20in

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It’s going to happen. Look at the candidates for queens DA. Most of them is stating that their not prosecuted prostitution but rather treat them as a victim. A lot of push happening to make it legal in NY
 
bighard20in

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Uniquelyme said:
The lawmakers are gonna fuck it up. But I agree decriminalization is better than them making it legal. Making it legal will make it much more costly imo.
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Totally disagree with it being legal will make it more expensive. I think then you would create more competition among the ladies “ supply and demand” once the supply is over running and prices will drop to balance the demand.
 
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Uniquelyme

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bighard20in said:
Totally disagree with it being legal will make it more expensive. I think then you would create more competition among the ladies “ supply and demand” once the supply is over running and prices will drop to balance the demand.
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I dont agree. The places you go to would easily go up. You frequent inexpensive places. Those would get targeted more and busted more imo if they don't become legal. And the other places would charge more cause uncle Sam gotta get a piece. They would want a nice chunk. Check out prices in Nevada them shits is insane.
 
Monty_monty

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Uniquelyme said:
I dont agree. The places you go to would easily go up. You frequent inexpensive places. Those would get targeted more and busted more imo if they don't become legal. And the other places would charge more cause uncle Sam gotta get a piece. They would want a nice chunk. Check out prices in Nevada them shits is insane.
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And the list of "No's" is ridiculous, instead of haggling/ bargaining with each provider or AMP/LMP etc. You only get told what you'll get by the conveniently provided GFE script/ manual. It's like an Apple product you can do whatever you want as long as you do what Apple lets you do, no extras

 
sharked

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The taxation of legal prostitution isn't that much in Nevada. It's services are expensive because of the exclusivity of the establishments. There's no tax on the act. The girls only pay like $150 a quarter for a licence. STD tests were weekly and that's like $25. That's not much for a business expense.

Legality would lower prices and lower exploitation. At the same time quality should go up due to competition. Imagine things like FKK or even Japanese soapland services. It would be a win for everyone.

They'll always be black market Latina fast houses and Chinese old women massages. But if you are a patron at these places knowingly visiting exploited forced workers, then you should bear the risk of incarceration when a legal alternative exists.

I'm all for legality, safety and profitably for the girls.
 
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hardrobert

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Slinky Bender said:
It's going to be hard for localities to effectively decriminalize something that the Feds turned from a local misdemeanor to a Federal felony by declaring all sex work to be trafficking. As long as FOSTA/SESTA is around decriminalization is meaningless.
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Except, we know how well the Federal statutes work for marijuana. If there is an income stream that can innure to the benefit of the state, eventuallly that income will be tapped. The bigger problem will be the feminazis that instead will want to reverse engineer the criminal statutes and lay the felony on the man and provide aid and social services to the women.
 
Phantom4662

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hardrobert said:
Except, we know how well the Federal statutes work for marijuana. If there is an income stream that can innure to the benefit of the state, eventuallly that income will be tapped. The bigger problem will be the feminazis that instead will want to reverse engineer the criminal statutes and lay the felony on the man and provide aid and social services to the women.
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You'd be surprised at how much less severe of a reaction you'll get from that group. If anything, I've begun to see a huge trend among feminists that is pro-sex work and pro-sex worker. Much like the abortion debate, it's a bodily autonomy issue for most of that crowd. As long as it's safe and not forced, they want the women to be able to do what they want with their bodies.
 
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We need to be careful with our terms here;

Legalization
Makes the selling and buying of sex service legal. The government can tax it, require licenses, etc.,

Decriminalization
The buying and selling of sex services is still illegal, but the government will choose what enforce. For example: LE could focus only on the customers. Enforcing only the buying side and not the selling side. When an officer witnesses a deal being made, he could arrest the customer and let the provider go. This would solve the “issue” of punishing the worker, while focusing on the “creepy” customers.

Both would be radical shifts in policy and the devil will be in the details.
 
bighard20in

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Well the race for Queens DA is all about decriminalized the sex industry. He candidates have there versions of what their would do as a DA. Give it few more years and this sex industry will have a red light district
 
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Slinky Bender said:
As long as FOSTA/SESTA is around decriminalization is meaningless.
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Meaningless is too strong a claim. Yes, there will still be the risk of being caught in some fed operation, but it substantially reduces the risks of a vice bust. It also will hopefully cut down on harassment by less scrupulous LE.
 
Slinky Bender

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My point is that replacing a local misdemeanor where historically the punishment has been zero jail time and a minor fine even for multiple offenses with a Federal felony with sentences of up to 10 years, and especially where federal prosecutors are showing their wont to impose those kinds of penalties on sex workers where there was clearly no slavery, coercion, etc involved - and is actually currently happening even without FOSTA/SESTA being invoked - pretty much negates any positive effects of local decriminalization.

Look at the nonsense down in Florida that Robert Kraft got caught up in:
Absolutely no evidence whatsoever of human trafficking, but they still invoke it to break in and surreptitiously
record goings-on and then publicly claim "sex trafficking" to justify prosecutorial misconduct.
 
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hardrobert

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The Feds are going crazy on many fronts these days. Seem to be asking for much higher sentencing and not willing to plead down and out like they used to. Not a reflection of the current administration either. Started before Trump election. Judges also. Saw a liberal NY federal district judge throw a max of guideline sentence on a first time drug offender the other day. Weird times.
 
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