Tipoffs To " HOT" Ads ??
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Authorities Cannot Lie?
What is an illegal ad? How is it that authorities cannot use them?
Are you thinking of ads that offer sexual services that, if run by authorities, would be entrapment? I don't know enough about entrapment to respond but perhaps some wiley UG pro could lay it out for us.
What is an illegal ad? How is it that authorities cannot use them?
Are you thinking of ads that offer sexual services that, if run by authorities, would be entrapment? I don't know enough about entrapment to respond but perhaps some wiley UG pro could lay it out for us.
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big fucking deal if the judge says it entrapment after you get pinched. your wife already found out because she had to bail your ass out, your life is over. even if you're convicted, it's a misdemeanor and a fine. the worst part isn't the arrest, it's the consequences in your "real" life. that's all LE wants to do, make it to scary for guys to go see hookers. oh, and maybe impound your car, too. let's not forget that little twist that's been added.
They can post generically worded ads & just sit back & wait for a fishy to take the bait by opening his mouth first. See the definitons on the other thread as to what constitutes entrapment and the Myth that a cop can't lie versus the fact that a cop can lie. If a decoy female can do it on the street, why can't she do it in a room?
Seeker can you share what your information source on this is please!
Seeker can you share what your information source on this is please!
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I don't think you can. For the cops' purposes, the best ad for them is the best for any provider, one that will get potential clients to call. To be entrapment it's got to induce somebody to do something they wouldn't otherwise do. I guess an ad would have to be way over the top to be that. The state of the law is that they can do a lot before it's entrapment.
Bottom line it is getting them to mention $$ and a sexual act, and not mentioning it yourself. She's probably got a wire on, so again if you can get her to expose herself before you do, again it gives you a defense, but as schooch said, even if you can prove entrapemtn, you still ended up arrested and probably in or on the news & job & family repercussions! I think we can do a lot of guessing here. How about some facts.How about sharing some of your thoughts here Seek and if you could what you base them on?
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In the end the ad will have nothing to do with any bust. The ad isn't the hook, it's the worm. If someone were to claim the ad was entrapment, then the prosecutor could have lots of fun on cross examination asking why the defendant was trolling the CL erotic section. IMO, a defendant couldn't make out an entrapment offense without going on the stand.
How many times have the cops busted clients through ads placed in CL? You hear rumors but few facts. The cops mostly seem to troll CL looking for incall providers working out of hotels.
How many times have the cops busted clients through ads placed in CL? You hear rumors but few facts. The cops mostly seem to troll CL looking for incall providers working out of hotels.
Where did you get that idea?
One of the worst examples of this was done by the U.S. Postal Police who, until the rising of the internet, ran KP ads in the back of most major men's magazines.
There was a time that the largest distributor of KP in the US was the US Postal Police, accounting for well over half the KP distributed in the US. They would actually mail KP to the seekers and bust them when they went to pick it up.
This was the police obviously not only planting ads suggesting illegal items for sale, but distributing them.
Not something I ever thought well of. It was as if the NYPD/NTF began running the biggest heroin street distribution biz in the city in order to catch street level users, or becoming the biggest pimp to bust johns. Truly bad karma.
I am all for getting rid of child molesting scum, but not by becoming a child pornographer in the process{shudder}.
There are recent examples of international, multijurisdictional [including the US via ICE], taking over of KP sites already existing outside the US, and busted [far better idea], and using their already existing street cred to capture users of this stuff in the US and infiltrate distribution networks world-wide.
During the time of their operation they would give the appearance of being an illegal operation, including running CL, Usenet and other ads in places where those expecting to see that kind of shit would look for them.
So to tie it up, while many in law enforcement aren't crazy about the idea of becoming the thing you are trying to kill in order to kill it, it is an effective tool and IS USED. That includes acting like the thing would act, which means running ads to maintain the appearance that you are that thing if that is what is expected.
One of the worst examples of this was done by the U.S. Postal Police who, until the rising of the internet, ran KP ads in the back of most major men's magazines.
There was a time that the largest distributor of KP in the US was the US Postal Police, accounting for well over half the KP distributed in the US. They would actually mail KP to the seekers and bust them when they went to pick it up.
This was the police obviously not only planting ads suggesting illegal items for sale, but distributing them.
Not something I ever thought well of. It was as if the NYPD/NTF began running the biggest heroin street distribution biz in the city in order to catch street level users, or becoming the biggest pimp to bust johns. Truly bad karma.
I am all for getting rid of child molesting scum, but not by becoming a child pornographer in the process{shudder}.
There are recent examples of international, multijurisdictional [including the US via ICE], taking over of KP sites already existing outside the US, and busted [far better idea], and using their already existing street cred to capture users of this stuff in the US and infiltrate distribution networks world-wide.
During the time of their operation they would give the appearance of being an illegal operation, including running CL, Usenet and other ads in places where those expecting to see that kind of shit would look for them.
So to tie it up, while many in law enforcement aren't crazy about the idea of becoming the thing you are trying to kill in order to kill it, it is an effective tool and IS USED. That includes acting like the thing would act, which means running ads to maintain the appearance that you are that thing if that is what is expected.
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Its better for their case if they do, but its not illegal.
The posts for working gals in the Operation Flea Collar sting were very near or precise to those they had been using straight along. These were known working gals and if the ads had changed significantly people would have noticed.
On the local front this very sting has been used in West Chester County, and another jurisdiction I can't recall just at the moment, recently. Working gals were pinched and their ads left running AND REPOSTED on CL just as they had been and then busting the johns who called and showed up for appointments.
At the point the gals were arrested and the police using the ads to pinch customers the ads, some of which were fairly explicit, were police advertising illegal things. Certainly when re-posted it was.
These, btw, are called "reverse stings" in the biz.
The posts for working gals in the Operation Flea Collar sting were very near or precise to those they had been using straight along. These were known working gals and if the ads had changed significantly people would have noticed.
On the local front this very sting has been used in West Chester County, and another jurisdiction I can't recall just at the moment, recently. Working gals were pinched and their ads left running AND REPOSTED on CL just as they had been and then busting the johns who called and showed up for appointments.
At the point the gals were arrested and the police using the ads to pinch customers the ads, some of which were fairly explicit, were police advertising illegal things. Certainly when re-posted it was.
These, btw, are called "reverse stings" in the biz.
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when they go through your pockets and find your car keys, they'll ask, where's your car? how good a liar do you think you'd have to be to get away with them not taking it. oh yeah, they already checked your license and ran it so they can get your car whenever they want. when will you all wake up and realize you can be ARRESTED for anything. doesn't mean you'll be convicted, but after you pay the lawyers, criminal and divorce, pay the fine to get your car back and have your life ruined, will any of the other bullshit really matter? oh, and by the way, with civil forfeiture, you have to prove you're innocent, not the other way around.
From my experience
This is a true story I dropped a girl off to see an undercover cop. They pinched me because they thought I was a pimp. Long story short I got a lawyer for 3,000 got the case knocked down to a violation and ACD. I did 2 days community service, what bothered me was the fact I was doing her a favor.
As far as I know law enforcement can catch you a number of ways. But it is rare they arrest a johns, unless your on "the street level" and you fuck up, and have the girl in your car while the police is right there. Incalls can be bad for the provider because she is a sitting duck. Outcalls are a safe bet but more expensive for hobbyists.
Hot ads tend to have fake pictures, they get you that way. They may use decoys but I have never seen a decoy in the hood where I frequent girls. Maybe I am unique but putting a decoy in flatbush Brooklyn or hunts point Bronx is hard to do because the decoys "get made" to much.
I figure LE mainly wants the girl that are "OUT THERE" sort of like a mobster bragging that he can't get caught.
Most officers really could care less about prostitution. The community complain about it so they have to go in and get you.
My style is never talk about money or sex unless I am comfortable with the girl. You only gain that with experience. Use patience if you think her spot is fishy drive off. If she asks if your a cop say no. I do not know why girls ask that, police will grab you up anyway.
In all my years in the game I have never seen a decoy. Maybe police don't care about the ghetto girls in the hood. They figure why put all this manpower in ghetto girls when they gonna sell their pussy again.
last but not least stay away from the ******** girls. They will drop the hammer on you.
This is a true story I dropped a girl off to see an undercover cop. They pinched me because they thought I was a pimp. Long story short I got a lawyer for 3,000 got the case knocked down to a violation and ACD. I did 2 days community service, what bothered me was the fact I was doing her a favor.
As far as I know law enforcement can catch you a number of ways. But it is rare they arrest a johns, unless your on "the street level" and you fuck up, and have the girl in your car while the police is right there. Incalls can be bad for the provider because she is a sitting duck. Outcalls are a safe bet but more expensive for hobbyists.
Hot ads tend to have fake pictures, they get you that way. They may use decoys but I have never seen a decoy in the hood where I frequent girls. Maybe I am unique but putting a decoy in flatbush Brooklyn or hunts point Bronx is hard to do because the decoys "get made" to much.
I figure LE mainly wants the girl that are "OUT THERE" sort of like a mobster bragging that he can't get caught.
Most officers really could care less about prostitution. The community complain about it so they have to go in and get you.
My style is never talk about money or sex unless I am comfortable with the girl. You only gain that with experience. Use patience if you think her spot is fishy drive off. If she asks if your a cop say no. I do not know why girls ask that, police will grab you up anyway.
In all my years in the game I have never seen a decoy. Maybe police don't care about the ghetto girls in the hood. They figure why put all this manpower in ghetto girls when they gonna sell their pussy again.
last but not least stay away from the ******** girls. They will drop the hammer on you.
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