These client vetting web sites...
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I'm curious to know how much whoring you've done outside New York City, jl. The experiences you describe don't reflect what I've learned about the sex business other cities. LE isn't nearly as bad here as in other places. In other cities, there are many on the supply side--indy and agency--who most certainly are "maniacal" about vetting new clients. They may have different methods than escort references/vetting services, but they do make a great effort to make sure you are not a cop. This is absolutely necessary (and not maniacal at all), because LE puts an equally great effort to making a bust. Instead of doing random sweeps of VV or Eros ads and picking up girls who take last minute appointments without any of caution (like in NYC, and which is pretty easy for a smart WG to avoid), they will target specific WGs and set up a bust with all sorts of elaborate ruses. They'll spend tons of hours and money for one measly misdemeanor bust. These communities are filled with a goody-two-shoes who love to cooperate with LE for one measly misdemeanor bust, whereas the average New Yorker couldn't give a shit about a WG, unless the WG is causing them some problem.
I still maintain that vetting services, while they clearly present risks, have value to clients in areas where LE is rabid in their pursuit of WGs. If not this way, then a new client is going to have to go through the ringer another way.
I still maintain that vetting services, while they clearly present risks, have value to clients in areas where LE is rabid in their pursuit of WGs. If not this way, then a new client is going to have to go through the ringer another way.
How do vetting sites determine if someone registering on the client side is a cop or not? How do they determine if a provider joining and providing references is not a police officer or cooperating witness? If other police departments are willing to go to so much effort, then getting around a vetting site can't be a big obstacle. These sites probably don't charge enough to do much work researching applicants. Like any.
I find it much easier to believe it's about the fee and the endless porn spam you will get after registering.
I find it much easier to believe it's about the fee and the endless porn spam you will get after registering.
Operation Flea Collar in Florida was almost entirely run on the basis of known provider names to corral potential clients and, eventually, the "Big Doggie" himself. Cooperating provider witnesses supplied the names, known telephone numbers, and methodology known to the clients so as to seem totally legitimate and none LE involved.
That is merely one example. I could cite others.
That is merely one example. I could cite others.
Laptop. The right software. The knowledge how to use them. All that is required to be safer than the vast majority of sex workers are in their chosen field.
Barring that, the second best way to remain truly safe is effectively mining these boards. They are an excellent source of known cliental with far fewer than average issues/concerns.
Again, it takes knowing how. Its not at all difficult though.
Barring that, the second best way to remain truly safe is effectively mining these boards. They are an excellent source of known cliental with far fewer than average issues/concerns.
Again, it takes knowing how. Its not at all difficult though.
I'm curious, those who belong to these services: which of the three most popular (date check, room service and p411) is the best? Is one more legit than the others? Are their membership fees roughly similar? (Sorry, I really don't know anything about these services, other than their basic purpose and the fact that they keep your info in a database.) Are some more reliable than others, and if so, why? Do you have to belong to more than one?
RoomService 2K is a Chicago-based business, and not surprisingly, most popular in Chicago. If I were based in Chicago, I would pay to advertise there. There is a very good reason for the existence of this service, and that is that Chicago vice is rabid in their pursuit of working girls. It's been around for over 10 years, and I've never heard a bad word about the owner, although I have heard about cops managing to sneak in a few times over the years.
RoomService 2K might be the most useful for clients, in that once they have been vetted and become paid members, RS2K will vouch for them even if the escort is not a member.
Date-Check was started in the early aughts by a guy who was already somewhat known in the world of whoredom for his adult web services. He started with a good reputation that he slowly built upon by adding known, reputable escorts to his site who could vouch for new client members. I've never heard even the slightest rumbling of any impropriety. This site is more popular with East Coast guys.
Preferred411 is owned by a woman who apparently also owns an escort agency in Texas. It arrived on the scene a few years after Date-Check as a competitor. It operates much the same way as Date-Check, although IMHO the site design is a lot cleaner and easier to navigate than Date-Check. Some folks are naturally nervous about the agency connection, although after years of keeping my ear to the ground, I've never heard of any problems with the agency connection. Their servers are in Canada, and I believe that on paper (though I could be wrong), the whole operation is based in Canada. I heard one particular story of Preferred411 not thoroughly vetting a member who had given false work information. I do not know if this sort of thing is a common occurrence with Preferred411, or a glaring exception.
I know that Date-Check and Preferred411 requires somebody trustworthy to vouch for escorts that want to join the site. I'm not certain what RoomService 2K requires for an escort to join, but they asked me to confirm that I was a real escort with an established reputation before they would vouch for one of their client members.
All 3 of these sites present some risk to the members, just by their very nature. However, none of them are fly-by-night sleazy operators. In all my dealings with them over the years, and in all the years they have built their reputations, there have been zero incidents (that I know of) that would lead me to believe they are anything other than the legitimate businesses they claim to be. Membership fees are posted on their sites.
RoomService 2K might be the most useful for clients, in that once they have been vetted and become paid members, RS2K will vouch for them even if the escort is not a member.
Date-Check was started in the early aughts by a guy who was already somewhat known in the world of whoredom for his adult web services. He started with a good reputation that he slowly built upon by adding known, reputable escorts to his site who could vouch for new client members. I've never heard even the slightest rumbling of any impropriety. This site is more popular with East Coast guys.
Preferred411 is owned by a woman who apparently also owns an escort agency in Texas. It arrived on the scene a few years after Date-Check as a competitor. It operates much the same way as Date-Check, although IMHO the site design is a lot cleaner and easier to navigate than Date-Check. Some folks are naturally nervous about the agency connection, although after years of keeping my ear to the ground, I've never heard of any problems with the agency connection. Their servers are in Canada, and I believe that on paper (though I could be wrong), the whole operation is based in Canada. I heard one particular story of Preferred411 not thoroughly vetting a member who had given false work information. I do not know if this sort of thing is a common occurrence with Preferred411, or a glaring exception.
I know that Date-Check and Preferred411 requires somebody trustworthy to vouch for escorts that want to join the site. I'm not certain what RoomService 2K requires for an escort to join, but they asked me to confirm that I was a real escort with an established reputation before they would vouch for one of their client members.
All 3 of these sites present some risk to the members, just by their very nature. However, none of them are fly-by-night sleazy operators. In all my dealings with them over the years, and in all the years they have built their reputations, there have been zero incidents (that I know of) that would lead me to believe they are anything other than the legitimate businesses they claim to be. Membership fees are posted on their sites.
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