Originally posted by justlooking
1 - Moynihan immediatedly responded, "Already the mud starts flying."
2 - My complaint wasn't that "special arena" theory degrades conduct outside the arena. My complaint was that it degrades conduct inside the arena.
3 - That once a group of sleazy people get a pass on everyday morality, they then convince themselves that they can do virtually anything.
4 - Note that a strip club is unlike professional boxing in the key respect that in strip clubs there are no official rules.
1 - Moynihan immediatedly responded, "Already the mud starts flying."
2 - My complaint wasn't that "special arena" theory degrades conduct outside the arena. My complaint was that it degrades conduct inside the arena.
3 - That once a group of sleazy people get a pass on everyday morality, they then convince themselves that they can do virtually anything.
4 - Note that a strip club is unlike professional boxing in the key respect that in strip clubs there are no official rules.
2 - I think it does both in most cases. Boxers are more likely to, say, bite a hunk out of their opponents ear and to assault someone outside the ring than are, say, chess masters. Poker players are probably more likely to try to cheat you in or out of a game too. Etc. So, maybe "special ethical arenas" are a bad thing, and certainly they at least have a downside, but that does not mean that they don't exist or have any validity.
3 - It is not my experience that most strippers and other strip clubs denizens will actually do "virtually anything", though some will perhaps. For example, in my personal experience most dancers will not clearly and explicitly promise you sexual services they then refuse to provide (in the private room); it is far more common to find ones who will instead try to mislead you with very suggestive but ultimately vague sounding promises of "satisfaction" and so forth. Again, it actually seems much the same to me in a poker game; very few players simply declare "I have a pair of queens" in the hole when they actually have 3-8 unsuited or something. Far more commonly they try to lead you into a false conclusion about their hand by the way they act and bet.
4 - I agree that this is an important distinction, although it is not a completely sharp one. In most contact sports there are also "unwritten rules" that are not directly enforced and about which the individual participants exercise their own "ethics" within the envelope of what the official rules allow. And, of course, strip club behavior is also limited, at least in principle, by ordinary laws (against pick pocketing or assault, for example) which are enforced by the normal mechanisms (police and courts).
-Ww
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