Sex with Civilian women: Why I pay for sex.
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Well it proves a couple of things. For one, you are literally ABLE to go for long periods, like myself, without new strange. It also proves that perhaps we are pre-wired to stray on a genetic level. Ok,well we can not prove that per se, but if you want to take it down to the instinctual level, our sole function is the continuation of the species...
We are compelled as human males to spew seed. That is a fact. We have layer upon layer of socialized moral and ethical baggage as learned behavior.
But at the core, we, as normal healthy functioning men want new pussy. Its as if you basic as eating or breathing. Whatever guilt we may feel as a result is entirely different then the urge we "choose" to act upon or not.
In a true addiction, you have lost that ability to choose or put your urges for gratification on hold.
We are compelled as human males to spew seed. That is a fact. We have layer upon layer of socialized moral and ethical baggage as learned behavior.
But at the core, we, as normal healthy functioning men want new pussy. Its as if you basic as eating or breathing. Whatever guilt we may feel as a result is entirely different then the urge we "choose" to act upon or not.
In a true addiction, you have lost that ability to choose or put your urges for gratification on hold.
That's the tootsie pop question, isn't it? The world may never know....
You can point to examples in the animal kingdom of species that only mate in bonded pairs, and those who mate indescriminately... and both seem to propagate just fine
I think with humans what it comes down to is the difference between love and (sexual)desire... I still firmly believe you can fall in love with someone and remain in love with them for the rest of your life, but more and more I think lifelong desire... where no matter what mood you're in, or how your day was, or how many times you've done it before, all you want to do is f*ck that person every time you see them.... well I think that must be either extremely rare or non exsistent.
You can point to examples in the animal kingdom of species that only mate in bonded pairs, and those who mate indescriminately... and both seem to propagate just fine
I think with humans what it comes down to is the difference between love and (sexual)desire... I still firmly believe you can fall in love with someone and remain in love with them for the rest of your life, but more and more I think lifelong desire... where no matter what mood you're in, or how your day was, or how many times you've done it before, all you want to do is f*ck that person every time you see them.... well I think that must be either extremely rare or non exsistent.
That's the tootsie pop question, isn't it? The world may never know....
You can point to examples in the animal kingdom of species that only mate in bonded pairs, and those who mate indescriminately... and both seem to propagate just fine
I think with humans what it comes down to is the difference between love and (sexual)desire... I still firmly believe you can fall in love with someone and remain in love with them for the rest of your life, but more and more I think lifelong desire... where no matter what mood you're in, or how your day was, or how many times you've done it before, all you want to do is f*ck that person every time you see them.... well I think that must be either extremely rare or non exsistent.
You can point to examples in the animal kingdom of species that only mate in bonded pairs, and those who mate indescriminately... and both seem to propagate just fine
I think with humans what it comes down to is the difference between love and (sexual)desire... I still firmly believe you can fall in love with someone and remain in love with them for the rest of your life, but more and more I think lifelong desire... where no matter what mood you're in, or how your day was, or how many times you've done it before, all you want to do is f*ck that person every time you see them.... well I think that must be either extremely rare or non exsistent.
Elliot Spitzer, from what I understand, quit with the help of a lot of therapy. And the blunt force of the humiliation caused by his hobbying being revealed to the general public, not to mention his family. Hopefully, most of us will be able to quit voluntarily and not be subjected to a Spitzeresque "outing."
Well we dont know if he quit. But having said that, this hobby is either a lifestyle choice, or its compelled by the insidiousness of addictive behavior. Whats debatable are the elements of what the addiction might be. Everyone is different. Someone could be addicted to the endorphin rush of new strange, the intoxication of limitless beautiful women for the buying... or the thrill and danger of the exact thing feared most... being outed.
Having quit the hobby many times over the years (for over a year and a half one time) and spending some good bread on therapy, I know a bit about addiction and compulsive behavior. I've been through the high end house routine (and there are some good ones in NYC), Tantra, porn stars, AMPs,TVs, S&M , taking girls on trips overseas and expensive indies. The Harmony was great for meeting new material (even the occasional takeout) and I really miss it. But I've put all that behind me.
As of the last couple of years, I only go to the occasional upscale massage joint (Candleight is very good) and spend most of my time in strip clubs during the afternoons drinking wine and chatting up the girls. It is amazing how many of them will see you outside the club (if that is what you want) after they get to know you. Generally, this is not true of the Russian chicks at high end clubs (as good looking as many Russian girls are, I think the language barrier is too difficult) but American Girls are another story. One thing is a universal for me: if the girl asks me for money in our personal relationship (outside the club), it is a deal ender. I'm happy to help girls move, play golf with them, enjoy good meals, even the occasional trip to the mall for shopping but no money grabs.
Another type of great fun for me is Meet & Greets. The more the better and they avoid the incredibly annoying "criminal investigations (aka screening)" that so many girls do. I understand why they screen but I just won't do it. I really got burned some years ago when a jealous woman who I had just ended an affair with outed me to my daughter and mom. Happily my Mom hung up on her and never mentioned it to me but my daughter still hasn't forgiven me. No one who I see now knows where I live or anything about my personal situation.
I do a lot of international travel in my business and find that it is a good time not to hobby and to reassess what I want to do.
My story,
Chels
As of the last couple of years, I only go to the occasional upscale massage joint (Candleight is very good) and spend most of my time in strip clubs during the afternoons drinking wine and chatting up the girls. It is amazing how many of them will see you outside the club (if that is what you want) after they get to know you. Generally, this is not true of the Russian chicks at high end clubs (as good looking as many Russian girls are, I think the language barrier is too difficult) but American Girls are another story. One thing is a universal for me: if the girl asks me for money in our personal relationship (outside the club), it is a deal ender. I'm happy to help girls move, play golf with them, enjoy good meals, even the occasional trip to the mall for shopping but no money grabs.
Another type of great fun for me is Meet & Greets. The more the better and they avoid the incredibly annoying "criminal investigations (aka screening)" that so many girls do. I understand why they screen but I just won't do it. I really got burned some years ago when a jealous woman who I had just ended an affair with outed me to my daughter and mom. Happily my Mom hung up on her and never mentioned it to me but my daughter still hasn't forgiven me. No one who I see now knows where I live or anything about my personal situation.
I do a lot of international travel in my business and find that it is a good time not to hobby and to reassess what I want to do.
My story,
Chels
The truth of the matter is that while we are all individuals we are all more the same then we are different.
Human behavior is predictable. It can be as much art as science but it can be done.
Most people exhibiting behavior that can be classified as addictive aren't apt to change it while no negative repercussions for that behavior exist. We tend to change, if we change, after some form of trauma, emotional and/or physical, is experienced. A catharsis.
Pretty typical stuff.
Human behavior is predictable. It can be as much art as science but it can be done.
Most people exhibiting behavior that can be classified as addictive aren't apt to change it while no negative repercussions for that behavior exist. We tend to change, if we change, after some form of trauma, emotional and/or physical, is experienced. A catharsis.
Pretty typical stuff.
I think for a lot of guys, its the fantasy and pursuit as much as the actual sex. NY Mag had an article about how some guys want porn more than real chicks, and chicks are becoming more porn star-ish in bed to meet that need.
When the fantasy ends (or crashes) and reality sets in, guys realize what they've done, who they hurt and the actual cost beyond dollars sinks in.
That sounds preacherish, doesnt it?
When the fantasy ends (or crashes) and reality sets in, guys realize what they've done, who they hurt and the actual cost beyond dollars sinks in.
That sounds preacherish, doesnt it?
Without a doubt, all true. But the alternative becomes a matter of quality of life issues.
For me, imagine a situation where you have a good family, job and life and bored with it all.
The ultimate mid life crisis. I guess for most of us, we were not meant to be happy all the time.
I once once in comedy club and Eddie Murphy stopped by. He did a routine that said that if we were married to Ms. Universe, we would still be still checking the ugly women (in comparison) that passed by and say to ourselves "great elbows".
For me, imagine a situation where you have a good family, job and life and bored with it all.
The ultimate mid life crisis. I guess for most of us, we were not meant to be happy all the time.
I once once in comedy club and Eddie Murphy stopped by. He did a routine that said that if we were married to Ms. Universe, we would still be still checking the ugly women (in comparison) that passed by and say to ourselves "great elbows".