Red Light and Speed Cameras

Monty_monty

Monty_monty

#41
#41
billyS said:
I think it is tied to the speed limit.
The higher the speed limit the longer the duration of the yellow.
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Ideally, you want Amber time long enough to prevent bringing the drivers into what is called the dilemma zone, where you have no good decision you can make. Amber lights that are too short put drivers in the dilemma zone when they get stuck in the intersection or ram their car to a halt and cause a collision.

The length of yellow lights varies by city and state? And if the timing of a yellow light isn't set correctly, the likelihood of an accident increases as well. The US Federal Highway recommends standards, but no state uses them [they're actually designed with safety, not revenue in mind]

NY Traffic Signal manuals
https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/op...stems/repository/B-2011Supplement-adopted.pdf

https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/engineering/design/dqab/hdm/hdm-repository/chapt_11.pdf

The federal standards for traffic control devices can be found in the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD), which is published by the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA).
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/nchrp/docs/NCHRP03-95_FR.pdf

https://www.thedrive.com/news/30530...-may-not-be-long-enough-after-all-experts-say

Here's a group pushing for the more conservative and safety driven amber lengths [formula provided]
http://www.shortyellowlights.com/standards/

https://blog.photoenforced.com/2011/02/what-is-proper-length-for-yellow-light.html?m=1

This manual might help if you want to fight a red light ticket with a very technical defense.
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/nchrp/docs/NCHRP03-95_FR.pdf

Red/amber light study
http://www.jctconsultancy.co.uk/Sym...ength%20of%20amber%20times%20at%20signals.pdf
 
genius

genius

#42
#42
trigeek said:
I believe the yellow by law should be 3 seconds. Right on red is 5 seconds to be stopped.
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IMHO for yellow to be 3 seconds regardless of speed there needs to be a second countdown (similar to the ones used on some of the WALK/Don't Walk signals Another possibility is to blink the green for 5 seconds prior to the yellow (something like 0.2 seconds off and 0.8 sec back o - this would be easiy to do with modern traffic lights.) The yellow occurring should not be a surprise. Otherwise it has to be a function of the speed limit and should be posted.

The Right on red is, according to law, a full stop before turning right. A full stop is no forward motion. The law is not a full stop for a period of time — it is full stop. Period.

I have made a right on red at the Rt110 and Rt24 (called Conklin until it magically gets called Hempstead Turnpike further West) perhaps 50 times in past 3 years. I come to a full stop for a second and then turn. Never got a photo ticket. BTW, in Newsday article on traffic camera safety a while back, the Suffolk county official being interviewed said that the Rt110/Rt24 intersection is the "most productive intersection in Suffolk". Funny, I would have thought he would have said that it is now the intersection with the largest safety improvement — but he didn't mention safety such as the biggest decrease in accidents, etc. Odd. By "most productive I wonder what he was measuring.
 
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Lone rider

#43
#43
genius said:
IMHO for yellow to be 3 seconds regardless of speed there needs to be a second countdown (similar to the ones used on some of the WALK/Don't Walk signals Another possibility is to blink the green for 5 seconds prior to the yellow (something like 0.2 seconds off and 0.8 sec back o - this would be easiy to do with modern traffic lights.) The yellow occurring should not be a surprise. Otherwise it has to be a function of the speed limit and should be posted.

The Right on red is, according to law, a full stop before turning right. A full stop is no forward motion. The law is not a full stop for a period of time — it is full stop. Period.

I have made a right on red at the Rt110 and Rt24 (called Conklin until it magically gets called Hempstead Turnpike further West) perhaps 50 times in past 3 years. I come to a full stop for a second and then turn. Never got a photo ticket. BTW, in Newsday article on traffic camera safety a while back, the Suffolk county official being interviewed said that the Rt110/Rt24 intersection is the "most productive intersection in Suffolk". Funny, I would have thought he would have said that it is now the intersection with the largest safety improvement — but he didn't mention safety such as the biggest decrease in accidents, etc. Odd. By "most productive I wonder what he was measuring.
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Right on reds are still lower, just have to stop for 3 seconds. That is one of the things driving me crazy, people won’t turn right on red anymore. Or stopping 30 feet back from the white line.
 
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Seekingsmash7

#45
#45
Massy said:
You had to have over 11 points on your license that made you exceed to get suspended I believe. Guessing you had a bunch of other tickets or things on your license at the time? Couldn’t be over that one ticket.
On that note however they will boot your car if you have two or more unpaid red light camera tickets. They have a van that goes around in middle of the night and also in public parking lots at peak times. They pretty much hold the car ransom and you pay over the phone and get a pin to take the boot off.
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my license is super clean, no points. I don't speed and seldom break any rules (occasionally ill cut off someone who cut me off without signaling) but I'm getting better at it.

Leaving the ticket unpaid and "forgetting about it" will promptly get it suspended.
 
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trader1

#46
#46
I paid my 50.00 and moved on..

The only saving grace here was this happening in the Boros, not Nassau where the penalty would be 150.00

Take heed Mongers
Know your surroundings :)
 
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