Question: What, by social definition, is prostitution?

[Thorn]

A serious question about the subject. Most giving a cursory thought to the subject would knee jerk an answer that it is the exchange of something of value for an insertive sexual act: vaginal, oral or anal penetrative sex. Interestingly many states legally define it as an exchange of something of value for an act designed to be sexually arousing. So, if strictly enforced [and aren't we all glad it isn't] in those states that would include lap dances and even giving tokens to cam models.

My point is if we are going to argue, and I might be inclined to, that prostitution is any time someone is paying someone else to arouse them to a state where climax is possible we have a LOT more providers and clients in this nation than we might think. Enough so that one has to give a little thought to legalizing all of this.

What do others here think: Is the social, not legal definition of prostitution confined to penetrative acts, or is it much closer to paying for any sexual act that is designed to end in a situation where the payer can/could climax [whether it does or doesn't not mattering, but that it is aimed at that]?

 

[billyS]

I go with paying for any sexual act that is designed to end in a situation where the payer can/could climax [whether it does or doesn't not mattering, but that it is aimed at that]?

 

[Amp-Man]

I wonder how many prostitutes went to law school.
You know how they write in their ads: "Any Payment accepted is for my time. Anything that happens between me and a client is the actions of 2 consenting adults"-Yada, Yada, Yada.
I wonder how strong those legal legs are if a LE detective set up a date and put the moves on one of these ladies, then cuffs her.

Anyway, I agree with @billyS ..Hand jobs in the park is probably illegal.

 

[Unown]

@billyS definition could include someone who has a humiliation fetish without touching. I would add a little bit more. The act would need to involve touching. But then that might encompass lap dances. So, naked touching? For such a simple thing, it can get really complicated.

It always amazed me how many people have different definitions for proposition. I was with a provider a few years ago. We had just finished DATY, BBBJ with CIM. As we lay there naked we talked about the new push to legalized prostitution. She was against it. She felt it was wrong to make prostitution legal. When I look at her she stated with all seriousness, "oh, we do sexual things but we do not have sex."

I didn't feel the need to argue and spoil the after glow, or ruin a good thing I had.

 

[sourpuss]

I have stated this several times in several posts..."The most expensive sex is free sex"...Woody Allen. Throughout my years of seeing women both socially and in a purely financial transaction I have wondered what the difference was...Is it prostitution if a man buys his SO jewelry knowing he will get sex as a result? or flowers? or a nice dinner?..there's an old joke where a young boy happens to witness his parents having sex....and then witnesses his father getting a bj from his mother. He innocently asks his mother what happens when Daddy sticks his pee pee in mommy...His mother replies, "Mommy gets a baby." Then the boy asks what happens when Daddy sticks his pee pee in Mommy's mouth what happens then?..His mother replies, "Mommy gets jewelry"...

 

[MassyMan]

Marriage is the highest form of prostitution

 

[Chuck One]

Elle McRae, formerly of Lear and some pornos, according to another girl at Lear is an attorney. I have seen zilch from her since the pandemic I'm assuming she's back in private practice lol.

I have two SB's that are attorneys.

 

[Bricktop]

A serious question about the subject. Most giving a cursory thought to the subject would knee jerk an answer that it is the exchange of something of value for an insertive sexual act: vaginal, oral or anal penetrative sex. Interestingly many states legally define it as an exchange of something of value for an act designed to be sexually arousing. So, if strictly enforced [and aren't we all glad it isn't] in those states that would include lap dances and even giving tokens to cam models.

My point is if we are going to argue, and I might be inclined to, that prostitution is any time someone is paying someone else to arouse them to a state where climax is possible we have a LOT more providers and clients in this nation than we might think. Enough so that one has to give a little thought to legalizing all of this.

What do others here think: Is the social, not legal definition of prostitution confined to penetrative acts, or is it much closer to paying for any sexual act that is designed to end in a situation where the payer can/could climax [whether it does or doesn't not mattering, but that it is aimed at that]?

I know it when I see it.

 

[genius]

Marriage is the highest form of prostitution

IMHO, only if it is transactional.
For example an unmarried alien says I will give you unlimited sex, some money and an iron clad prenup that allows you cleanly get out of the marriage once I get my citizenship.

 

[Bricktop]

Marriage is the highest form of prostitution

For the man or the woman

 

[Bricktop]

IMHO, only if it is transactional.
For example an unmarried alien says I will give you unlimited sex, some money and an iron clad prenup that allows you cleanly get out of the marriage once I get my citizenship.

The prenup is a contract so doesn’t apply

 

[Thorn]

i don’t know if I’m getting the gist of my question across.

My gist is, in asking, is my contention is that the social definition, the way a majority perceive prostitutio, is it’s the payment for a sexual act.

Well, if that’s the case we have a much bigger contingent of providers and clients because that definition would include most lap dancesl guys digitally pumping tokens into coin slots of cam models rooms, and any number of other bits.

Making for a large enough segment of our society actively involved in these exchanges that quite a few of use are either selling or purchasing sex. So perhaps we ought to consider not making criminals of so many folks? Maybe it’s time to consider legalization?

 

[Thorn]

So, first question again. How does our society (meaning a majority of us) define prostitution?

 

[Monty_monty]

I wonder how many prostitutes went to law school.
You know how they write in their ads: "Any Payment accepted is for my time. Anything that happens between me and a client is the actions of 2 consenting adults"-Yada, Yada, Yada.
I wonder how strong those legal legs are if a LE detective set up a date and put the moves on one of these ladies, then cuffs her.

Anyway, I agree with @billyS ..Hand jobs in the park is probably illegal.

Whether they are or aren't "lawyers", they seem to find themselves often enough in legal trouble. I will say when doing the research to minimize my "legal troubles" if I was to be caught in a sting/AMP raid etc, that lawyers that representing the industry seem to all push the its a donation, not payment angle as well. Another recommendation is to have a generic "casting" agreement, so that sex for money is protected 1st Amendment issue, i.e. your making a movie, but as with anything YMMV, and these 2 tactics; in my own personal mongering I go with option 1 donation for time only - but if we were to meet and hit it off, what kinds of things of things do you like, or don't like (i.e. services provided or not).

 

[Bricktop]

i don’t know if I’m getting the gist of my question across.

My gist is, in asking, is my contention is that the social definition, the way a majority perceive prostitutio, is it’s the payment for a sexual act.

Well, if that’s the case we have a much bigger contingent of providers and clients because that definition would include most lap dancesl guys digitally pumping tokens into coin slots of cam models rooms, and any number of other bits.

Making for a large enough segment of our society actively involved in these exchanges that quite a few of use are either selling or purchasing sex. So perhaps we ought to consider not making criminals of so many folks? Maybe it’s time to consider legalization?

You’re way out in left field with that example. Lap dance in person or digital isn’t construed as prostitution. It will become legal when THEY can tax it. Gambling, Weed ………

 

[Amp-Man]

Whether they are or aren't "lawyers", they seem to find themselves often enough in legal trouble. I will say when doing the research to minimize my "legal troubles" if I was to be caught in a sting/AMP raid etc, that lawyers that representing the industry seem to all push the its a donation, not payment angle as well. Another recommendation is to have a generic "casting" agreement, so that sex for money is protected 1st Amendment issue, i.e. your making a movie, but as with anything YMMV, and these 2 tactics; in my own personal mongering I go with option 1 donation for time only - but if we were to meet and hit it off, what kinds of things of things do you like, or don't like (i.e. services provided or not).

@Monty_monty : "Exxxxcellent"

 

[beeker]

A serious question about the subject. Most giving a cursory thought to the subject would knee jerk an answer that it is the exchange of something of value for an insertive sexual act: vaginal, oral or anal penetrative sex. Interestingly many states legally define it as an exchange of something of value for an act designed to be sexually arousing. So, if strictly enforced [and aren't we all glad it isn't] in those states that would include lap dances and even giving tokens to cam models.

My point is if we are going to argue, and I might be inclined to, that prostitution is any time someone is paying someone else to arouse them to a state where climax is possible we have a LOT more providers and clients in this nation than we might think. Enough so that one has to give a little thought to legalizing all of this.

What do others here think: Is the social, not legal definition of prostitution confined to penetrative acts, or is it much closer to paying for any sexual act that is designed to end in a situation where the payer can/could climax [whether it does or doesn't not mattering, but that it is aimed at that]?

You got it… You sell it… You still got it… In the interim someone trying to get it from you ... Gets ensnared ..Obviously… If there is coercion.. Arrests only makes sense if there is evidence of trafficking.. Right? Is a monger… More likely.. To reoffend… Than the pothead caught toking... If neither party had Monies to be Pursued In Court.... Would this even be a modern day issue in most of the US?

 

[Thorn]

You’re way out in left field with that example. Lap dance in person or digital isn’t construed as prostitution. It will become legal when THEY can tax it. Gambling, Weed ………

Again, taxes are a matter of legality and the question clearly asks what the social definition is.

We make legal changes based on social perception in this country. Which is why I am asking about social definition, because that is where change would have to occur first before legal change can take place.

 

[Thorn]

You got it… You sell it… You still got it… In the interim someone trying to get it from you ... Gets ensnared ..Obviously… If there is coercion.. Arrests only makes sense if there is evidence of trafficking.. Right? Is a monger… More likely.. To reoffend… Than the pothead caught toking... If neither party had Monies to be Pursued In Court.... Would this even be a modern day issue in most of the US?

Your argument needs to be restated, because as it current exists you seem to be a bit all over the place and I can't determine precisely what you are driving at. Is it about trafficking? Government seizing of assets (forfeiture)? Mongers vs potheads??? {scratching head}

 

[justme]

Again, taxes are a matter of legality and the question clearly asks what the social definition is.

We make legal changes based on social perception in this country. Which is why I am asking about social definition, because that is where change would have to occur first before legal change can take place.

But you have your own answer.

The fact that there isn’t widespread action to include lap dances, etc., In prostitution laws is evidence that the popular definition of prostitution does not include them.

Few people actually bring any kind of mathematical or logical consistency between the way they might define something and the way they’d categorize an example (or non-example).

If you ever want to derail any conversation between Americans, ask them to define a sandwich and then throw out edge cases.