Open note to one of the boys........

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#61
i just opened the chinese fortune cookie that came with my won ton soup. may both my cojones fall off if it doesn't say, verbatim: "There are some things you will never know. :)"

(i thought their putting in the smiley was rubbing it in!)
 

Slinky Bender

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#62
I always seem to get the one that says "You really like Chinese food". Does anyone actually play the numbers they get on the fortunes ?

PS That was a lousy tip you gave me, I don't care if it was a small delivery.

[Edited by slinkybender on 03-28-2001 at 03:33 PM]
 
#63
it's simple.

i am asked by clients to recommend escorts. i am asked by escorts, "is he all right?", etc. we *all* have an interest here.

you have hypothetically posited that someone got kicked out of the no-smoking section of a theater for lighting up a cigarette. and now, the manager and the patron just want it to die.

but, it's too late for that. that begs the issue for those of us who are not in the position of the newspaper editor who is sitting on the story -- now that *he* knows what it is. the rest of us know that either someone really did get burned in the fire, or an innocent person is being accused of being an arsonist.

i think the rest of us have a right to the information for our making *our own* evaluation of who to recommend, or who not to -- going forward.

isn't that what these boards are for?
 

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#66
"Isn't that what the boards are for ?"

No. Certainly not this one.

You are using the same arguement that a lot of media outlets have used to get by releasing stories that they know shouldn't be released. They report as news that some other news outlet has reported something. I personally find this artifice completely distressing. The "public's right to know" is frequently used to trample the privacy of individuals. A really good news editor doesn't put up peices just to sell papers, and neither do I.

I could encourage a nice knock-down, drag out fight every day here. But I'm not interested in rubbernecking at car crashes. There are lots of ways to try and bring private info public, and then claim, "well now that it's public, it's ok to talk about it". My view is that if it shouldn't have been brought out to begin with, I'm not going to use the excuse that since someone else started in on it, that now I can further the discussion. there's always the "right to know" excuse, but almost always it is that - an excuse to talk about some else's business.
 
#67
brother Slink, you say i'm going up to the line. but, i didn't say anything the first time around. Amanda was all over the thread.

an escort posts to say she doesn't trust information from other escorts, and Amanda comes back to the board to say it's only about 'safety' -- this revelation, notwithstanding -- http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5586#post5586

now she's using coded language to destroy the reputation of a highly respected client in our community -- http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7063#post7063 . and, you're putting this on *me* for just wanting to hear both sides?
 
#68
Amanda Wrote:

"I need to clarify one thing: I, nor the girl in question...ever said you raped anyone. That's new news to me... "


The provider in question never did call me a rapist. But when she knew this rumor was being spread because of the people SHE spoke to, she did nothing to stop the rumor. She turned her back on it.


you have mail
 

Slinky Bender

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#69
GC,
relax.

First, I said "has his toes right up on that line" to be clearly differentiated from "over the line". Second, the point was solely regarding being a third party stepping in on an issue between two "opposing parties". Thirdly, it arose from directing the post at an individual, which I always look at with a "higher level of scrutiny" than posts which are directed at concepts/ideas/principals, which was underscored by the item following a direct quote, so there weas no doubt that it was directed at someone/someone's post. In case I haven't made it clear before now, I give LOTS of leaway here when someone wants to express ideas ( and have let lots of stuff which I'm sure offends someone or lots of someones slide ) , but I feel I must keep a much tighter leash on anything directed at persons ( people ? ).

And yes, I know I let a lot of stuff slide which is directed at you. But you're a special case.

[Edited by slinkybender on 03-28-2001 at 04:45 PM]
 
#71
TBD (NY, Miami, Philly

LG....

TBD (NY, Miami, Philly) utopia.

thats two more boards than i read regularly.....



. Sometimes though, people not in the know keep it alive, as much as you want to let it die


you couldn't be more right.



:cool:
 
#72
Ezrlove: I have been away from my computer for awhile now, so I have missed this unfolding drama. Nevertheless, I have always found your posts, both here and elsewhere to be insightful, informative, and gentlemanly. Your reputation is by no means called into question by this enigmatic exchange. Those of us who value your intelligent reviews and posts will find it difficult to believe the accusations hurled at you, given your past history. Move on bro, the invectives thrown at you are best thwarted by silence, no matter how much they might sting in the short term.
 
#73
Slinky: As a long time hockey player myself, still not quite retired, I cannot envision GC ever being the "third man in." He might write about the inequities of such an incident, justify the interference on the some metaphysical grounds, or come to the aid of the poor miscreant who incurred the wrath of an unwelcome additional attacker, but I sincerely doubt that he would be the odd man into the fray.
 
#75
Slink: it's fine to say that Ralph and the movie manager want everything kept quiet. except for the fact that the movie manager's lawyer has been in the press on the matter ever since this began. and, this lawyer was not a witness to anything but subsequent hearsay. i'll grant a 'contemporaneous utterance' exception to the hearsay rule. but, we're not hearing direct testimony about the utterances -- we're hearing innuendos about the utterances.

in the last 24 hours, the manager's lawyer has made at least 4 increasingly defamatory innuendos about Ralph. i'm not talking about a *rumor* i heard; i'm talking about words i read right here. in fact, everything i've commented on about this is something i saw publicly posted -- not 'secret testimony' i claim to be accurately characterizing or interpreting, but that no one else can evaluate for themselves -- unlike postings to a public board.

jmc: i cannot add or detract from your beautifully written sports metaphor. but, i can toss out 3 words of legalese: "Danger invites rescue."

Oz: it ain't fair.
 
#76
Oh come on...

"now she's using coded language to destroy the reputation of a highly respected client in our community"


Oh come on, Guy. I think you know me a little better than that.

Do you really think I would yell "fire" just because someone else does? Give me some credit.

Even the mighty fall, Guy...check out what is happening to Big Louie on the ASPD.net Houston board

http://www.reviews.aspd.net/Forum250/HTML/000027.html

--he is being raked over the coals for several behavioral faux pas--one of them was he used his power of influence with several new ladies...did it happen? Well, I have to that most of the guys that were his pals say yes, it indeed did...or at least that Big Louie bragged about it. Who knows...but BL was probably THE most well-respected poster on ASPD...a legend in his own time...but even BL makes mistakes. My anger is about the mistake itself--and the fact that we are all adults and should know better about certain things--there are no second chances here--no amount of apologies that can correct the situation.

What a mess. You wanna know why I brought this up again? Because EZrlove did--with his "I'm just keeping quiet" and that other guys' crap about "Oh poor EZrlove". POOR NOTHING. What a crock. Every day, guys who do the same thing are all over the country, and they all get away with it...why? Because the girl is a hooker. That's what it boils down to. Fuck that. Some have said, "But we had an emotional connection." My ass. If that's true, the right thing would have been done in the first place.

Consequences. Yeah, there are consequences. For Ezrlove? Hell no, all he has to do is get a new handle. She freaking QUIT over this--and is now only seeing two regular clients she trusts at home. What the hell does that tell you?

Reputation--shee-it, you guys have it easy. Don't bark at me about reputation. You have no clue.

Ezrlove, dude, I'm sure you're a nice guy and all, but you fucked up. That's all there is to it. If there are no consequences for you, then we are all screwed. Sorry, but that's how it is. I'm sure you aren't a rapist or a beater or any of that...what I think is you got stupid and you got selfish--and those two are dangerous when you've been drinking and partying with a beautiful girl...but unfortunately most men think that because they are paying for it they are entitled to more privileges...

So you will have to forgive me if I get mad when I see you posting regularly, contributing back into the fold...when my friend can't even log on to this site because she will get flamed up one side and down the other. Forgive me that I'm mad that everyone wants this swept under the rug all nice and neat and pretty...and no one believes her...or at the very least, they are skeptical...and that's enough for me. Why? Well, why do you think?

In Dallas about two weeks ago, there was a girl murdered who was touring from Richardson (right outside D) and she worked for an agency there. The guys on ASPD had a fit about it...pleading with each other.."Oh, we must take care of our girls, protect them...do whatever we can...they are our ladies..." puffing out their chests and patting each other on the back for simply being men....so we girls come up with an idea for a pager system for three girls in Houston, and three girls in Dallas...(to be the "big sisters" for touring girls and newbies)...and asked the guys to help and.....NOTHING. Not a word. The thread has been moved down the list, replaced with topics such as "Enhanced or Real?" and "Who is your ATF?"

I guess you can only expect so much, hmmm?

Perhaps I am just getting jaded after three years.

Either way, it makes my blood boil.
 

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#77
I disagree again. If the Theater manager's lawyer were making statements, I think it would be different. When a lawyer makes statments saying what they would do if they represented the Theater manager, it's not the same thing. In each of the recent cases I've seen, every case has people talking who have not been appointed by the parties as their spokespeople, and that's where the problem lies. Remember, I have not seen anyone make the argument that the actual people involved don't want this quiet. I know you like to talk about lawyers, but this time I think you are out of line, since we are not talking about some who has been hired as an advocate. Someone acting on thier own, against the wishes of a party, does not become that party's lawyer. They are simply advocating their own viewpoints.

Soory counsellor, you are arguing facts not in evidence.
 

Slinky Bender

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#78
Amanda,

One nitpick:
"...when my friend can't even log on to this site because she will get flamed up one side and down the other."

I don't think that's fair. I don't think there is any good reason to believe that is true. Aside from Guy, I don't think anyone on this site has been "flamed up one side and down the other". In fact, I would wager that if it were not for this thread ( and even possibly with this thread ), if your friend posted here no one would say "boo", except to answer whatever points she brought up directly. Of course, I could be wrong, but I don't think the evidence points that way. Certainly it's not based on her posting here and it happening in the past, unless I've missed something that somehow appeared here and I didn't see ( which I don't think is all that likely ).
 
#79
Re: Oh come on...

Originally posted by Amanda Witherspoon
"now she's using coded language to destroy the reputation of a highly respected client in our community"

Oh come on, Guy. I think you know me a little better than that.............. Every day, guys who do the same thing are all over the country, and they all get away with it...why?
"do" what!?! this is what i mean by unfair innuendo.

yes, i do know you well enough to know that you are sincere.

but, that's not the same as saying that i think EZ is getting a fair deal here. see what i mean?

and, yes, escorts are judged by a double standard. no client in cyberspace has ever been more adament about this than i. but, guess what -- so are black clients prejudged by a different standard than other clients.

omigod -- is this Clarence and Anita?

i happened to have been thought incoherent by all of my lawyer friends when i insisted that both of them believed their own recollection and interpretation of events.

then Bill Clinton came out and said the same thing. since all of my friends are Clinton supporters, suddenly my position wasn't so incoherent anymore.

so, did EZ do something even worse than ask, "what's this pubic hair doing on my can of coke?"

please don't tell me that he actually had sex with that woman! that would be beyond-the-beyond.
 
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