Open note to one of the boys........

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#41
Client/Provider Confidentiality?

Let me see if I'm getting the jist of this correctly - the expectation of clients is for providers to honor the sanctity of the "Provider-Client" relationship?

My algebra is terrible, but lets see how this works!

Client-Provider = physician/patient; priest/pennitent;
attorney-client, and therapist-client? I know its been a long time since I've taken math...but something about this calculation suggests the real possibility that several hobbyists may be suffering either from a pervasive developmental disorder or early-onset Alsheimers.

[Edited by richardrzhpippin on 03-27-2001 at 10:03 AM]
 
#42
G.C.

While you've clearly moved a little more towards the center of things.

While I still only understand about 50 % or so of what you say.

And while you obviously take great pains to make sure your information is accurate, do you really believe "client-only information loops, at best are juvenile, and at worst they cause severe harm to the innocent".

I guess I could agree with the "at worst" part but the "at best" part ???

You KNOW better than that.....
 
#43
Originally posted by littleguy
G.C.,

While you've clearly moved a little more towards the center of things .... I still only understand about 50 % or so of what you say.
it is the 50% you haven't followed that has been supplying the 'balance' you're only now discovering.
..... do you really believe "client-only information loops, at best are juvenile .....
that most men regress into lost adolescence when women aren't around is a commonplace beyond argument.

if you would like, i will add that there is the occasional client who is emotionally mature, and, from time to time, posts a review on a clients-only board that reflects this maturity.

however, you will rarely see such clients post on the general message boards. the rare exception notwithstanding, the 'discussions' on the general message boards are stupifyingly juvenile (even when they are attempting to be 'serious').

many of these little boys turn out to have great difficulty distinguishing a man from a woman(!), never mind recognizing more nuanced distinctions.

in a humorous vein, i still chuckle when i recall the endless speculation about Mary Lou's. after exhaustive debate and discussion, it turned out to be not unlike any other place that allows regular customers to remain an hour or so after closing. so much for the great 'objectivity', 'accuracy' and 'exclusive' information client-only boards claim to exclusively possess.

since you have asked that i focus on the subject, i will elaborate that there are two specific 'themes' to this juvenile mentality. the one is that the existence of corruption means that there is only corruption.

any adolescent can find corruption wherever he looks. the task of the mature existentialist, though, is to find the beauty and idealism that exist in spite of the corruption.

the more difficult to understand theme of this juvenile mentality has to do with the fantasy that asp's and civilian women somehow have a wholly different attitude about men once the lights go out. this is simply silly. no matter what a woman does in the 'outside world' -- from Margaret Thatcher to Bo Peep -- once she's between the sheets, she feels the same vulnerability as any other woman. same with men. it's simple.

for the sake of the balance you seek, i will point out that civilian women, in defense of their own material and emotional interests, play their part in fostering this common male delusion.



[Edited by guy catelli on 03-27-2001 at 03:24 PM]
 
#44
I knew I should have kept my mouth shut, but once open.....


I asked "do you really believe "client-only information loops, at best are juvenile"

You responded "that most men regress into lost adolescence when women aren't around is a commonplace beyond argument"

Beyond argument ??? Give me a break.



"if you would like, i will add that there is the occasional client who is emotionally mature, and, from time to time, posts a review on a clients-only board that reflects this maturity"

G.C. Keep in mind you referenced a "client-only" board, no TBD, which certainly doesn't apply.



"however, you will rarely see such clients post on the general message boards. the rare exception notwithstanding, the 'discussions' on the general message boards are stupifyingly juvenile (even when they are attempting to be 'serious')."

While I generally agree, I still think you're looking "down your nose" a bit here.


"since you have asked that i focus on the subject"

I don't recall asking that. I only recall asking if "you really believe "client-only information loops, at best are juvenile"

Sorry if I'm mistaken.
 
#46
much has since been deleted. but, a piece of the puzzle here, another piece there, and a clear picture came into focus. clear, at least, to those who are trained in drawing only those inferences that are warranted. no doubt, a real 'fun-house mirror' of distortions and innuendo to those who are not -- which is the vast majority.

i don't want Oz all over me about this, but even a lame public story is better than none. because, whatever the damage of going public, it's worse to invite people to conjure up any old fantasy to fill in the 'dead air'.

and, that's not jmo. that's the whole basis of the PR industry -- for good reason.
 
#47
You are a better man than I am

Ezrlove said: "trying hard to be quite."

If I were in your position I would not have handled myself nearly as well.

I give you a lot of credit for maintaining your dignity.

jb
 
#48
God speaks to Catelli and Catelli speaks to the world. The Book of Catelli.

Littleguy - It is impressive that you only understand 50% of what he has to say since only 25% of it makes any sense. Catelli paints with a broad brush and uses black so that he can dismiss everything that disagrees with his view of the world. Thus Catelli spaketh with God and Catelli spaketh to the world.
 
#50
uh ...

Originally posted by Amanda Witherspoon
with all due respect, you know not of what you speak. If you are to have an opinion on anything, you need all the facts, n'est-ce pas?
lots of innuendo, Miss Witherspoon; but, no 'facts'.




[Edited by guy catelli on 03-28-2001 at 06:44 AM]
 
#51
Re: Mr. Blackthorne...

Originally posted by Amanda Witherspoon
with all due respect, you know not of what you speak. If you are to have an opinion on anything, you need all the facts, n'est-ce pas?

Amanda, since you were not in the room you also do not know the facts.
 
#52
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Ezrlove: "Since you heard everything that was said on the phone, why don't you tell us all about it. I have nothing to hide. But please make sure you have your facts straight because I have emails from her that say I was a perfect gentleman. "


You only sent me the emails YOU sent HER.




[Edited by Amanda Witherspoon on 03-28-2001 at 06:37 PM]
 
#53
Re: Hmmm.

Originally posted by Amanda Witherspoon
I was on the hotel phone with her at 3 in the morning, buddy, barely ten minutes after she told you to leave--while you were talking to her on her cellular phone. I heard everything you said and everything she said, so please, spare me your bullshit.

Now, this is OVER, and you are lucky--you've gotten away with it. Good for you.

Sorry, slinkybender...you can delete this at any time if you like, but this man makes me sick.

Everyone will always choose sides, regardless of whether they know the story. It's human nature.

(sigh)

I promise I won't say any more about it.
more innuendo than ever; but, so, far, the only material allegation: "...she told you to leave."

could there much less here than meets the eye?
 
#54
Amanda wrote:

"I was on the hotel phone with her at 3 in the morning"


As I stated before, you were not in the room.


"buddy, barely ten minutes after she told you to leave"


She never told me to leave, again your facts are wrong.
One of the rumors is that she was passed out, was she coherent to you? You were on the phone with her 10 minutes after I left.



"while you were talking to her on her cellular phone. I heard everything you said and everything she said, so please, spare me your bullshit."


Since you heard everything that was said on the phone, why don't you tell us all about it. I have nothing to hide. But please make sure you have your facts straight because I have emails from her that say I was a perfect gentleman.


"you are lucky--you've gotten away with it"


Please explain to everyone on this board including myself what I got away with. You have my complete approval. Again, make sure you have your facts straight. I have documentation from her. If I had physically hurt this woman or stole money from her then my name would be posted all over the internet. If one should be punished for poor judgement then I am guilty. Amanda, please tell me what the punishment is for lying and spreading vicious rumors.


"Everyone will always choose sides, regardless of whether they know the story. It's human nature"


You are correct that everyone will choose sides. But the intelligent people choose sides after they have heard both sides of the story. The ignorant ones believe everything that they hear.


If you would like Amanda I will send you the emails she sent to me. But be prepared because light hurts your eyes when you have been kept in the dark for along time.
 
#56
Ozzy, I agree with you. I already lost. My reputation has been smeared across the internet.


The funny thing Ozzy, is that everyone is putting together what happen and I didn't say anything. I have been the one to keep my mouth shut while lies are being told about me.


I have heard that I am a rapist, that I brutally attacked a girl. And my race is being brought into the whole situation.


Why should I stay quite, I got nothing else to loose. And I have absolutely nothing to hide.
 

Slinky Bender

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#57
Ozzie,
Did you ever see any of those late nite "info-mercials" for any of these fishing lures ? They all advertise the same thing......"The Bass can't resist taking this bait.....they are physically programmed to bite on this bait.........you are gaurantedd to get a hit on this bait.........". i don't know why, but I keep flashing back to these things.

Amanda,
I'm not big on deleting stuff, so it's up to you to leave it or not. I don't like conflict, so I don't like to see stuff which breeds it. The one thing I will definitely "whack" is when third parties start jumping in ( a product of my hockey playing past ) ( and yes, GC has his toes right up on that line ).

Which brings me to the editorial of the day:

On these boards, there is a lot of "action" which revolves around third parties jumping in to do things for "first parties", who have not asked for this "help" ( no one should take this to be directed at anyone here, or in this particular case - this is a general point ). Since the first parties didn't want anything done, they may have left out some details in telling their stories, since all they really wanted to do was talk to someone about something they were currently disturbed about. These third parties then take up a "cause", which results in exactly the opposite of what the first parties wanted, which an awful lot of the time was for the whole thing to die a quick and quiet death. the result is that things get all blown out of proportion, and all the parties who were actually involved get hurt in a disproportionate amount to what really happened. in other words, the aftermath of the event ends up being worse than the actual event, due to all the "help" being received. Of course, all involved have the best of intentions, but we know what the road to Hell is paved with.

Just to beat this to death, the foregoing is not directed at anyone. My point is simply that sometimes it's not in your freind's best interest to be pushed into a fight under the guise of "I got your back - go get 'em", followed by "if you're not going to get 'em, I'll do it for ya". I know we all want to fight the good fight, and I'm no one to talk when it comes to scrapping. It's just that I see a lot of stuff on the baords lately which is people "sticking up for" people, who are in the corner cringing that it is going on in their name. The problem with pissing contests is that unless you like GS, everyone ends up the worse for wear.

I'm not taking any sides in any of these matters. I just think that if the folks who are actually involved in any matter want to let it die, the rest of us shouldn't be fanning the embers, trying to re-ignite it.

If I have offended anyone, I'm sorry, but I just don't see what the real point is in creating controversy simply for controversy's sake.
 
#58
EZRLOVE,

You said "Ozzy, I agree with you. I already lost. My reputation has been smeared across the internet."

I don't understand something. While I don't pretend to be anywhere near the hobbyist, say, that Ozzy is, I generally read TBD (NY, Miami, Philly), Utopia Guide and a "clients-only" site which will remain nameless (not that virtually everybody here doesn't know its name anyway though), with more regularity than is probably healthy. I don't recall anything specifically naming you, or the provider for that matter, along with ANY salient facts (facts, in this case being from either you or she) of this supposedly "wrongful" encounter, yet you insist that you have been smeared "across the Internet". Could you be exaggerating somewhat ?

In the absence of facts, again only postings from either YOU or SHE, many will form opinions based on any and all hearsay. Many will not.


"The funny thing Ozzy, is that everyone is putting together what happen and I didn't say anything. I have been the one to keep my mouth shut while lies are being told about me."

I think Ozzy's advice was basically correct. If you just leave it alone, it will probably just die and nobody will remember it in a week. Sometimes though, if people not in the know keep it alive, as much as you want to let it die, perhaps you cannot. If that's the case you should let everybody know exactly your side of the story, from the horses mouth so to speak. I can tell you from personal experience, it may turn into a complete conflagration, but at least everybody will KNOW your side of the story.



"I have heard that I am a rapist, that I brutally attacked a girl. And my race is being brought into the whole situation. "

See now, where have you heard that ? I haven't heard it. Even in this thread I just read some vague innuendo about a meeting that turned a little ugly, and now I hear FROM YOU that people are saying these things ABOUT YOU.


"Why should I stay quiet, I got nothing else to loose. And I have absolutely nothing to hide."

Yet you remain silent and let those of us who are not aware of the facts just imagine (and write) what we will. BTW, YOU and some of the posters know of the incident in question but you will note than none of them refer to the participants nor any of the specific activities they are referring to or about. Obviously YOU know everything they are talking about but you should realize that unless they start naming names, the rest of us don't even know what they're talking about. Then YOU go and tell us what we didn't even know.
 
#59
philosophical point of the day:

in addition to the very enjoyable socializing (an overwhelming % of the time), the online asp boards also serve as information clearing houses for *all* escorts and clients (not just 'insiders') to make informed choices.

if people are running around shouting: 1) "there was a fire in the theater last night"; and 2) "no, there wasn't", then the rest of us have a right to know whether there's a fire hazard in the theater or whether there's someone crying wolf -- so that we, too, can make informed choices about our own safety and comfort levels.
 

Slinky Bender

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#60
Guy,
I don't disagree with your point, except that it's "off point". To try to use your example: Folks are talking about whether the theater burned down last nite, but in fact Ralph got thrown out for lighting a cigarette in the balcony, where there is no smoking allowed. The theater management and Ralph agreed not to talk about it, but folks are arguing whether it's Ralph's fault that the theater burned down. Both Ralph and the theater are worse for the discussion, and no one is better off for it. But the idea of the theater burning down is so juicy, that folks have talked about the whole city block burning down, how the city will have to enact new arson laws, how we will have to raise taxes to cover the miliions of dollars of infrastructure repairs to the sewers, lamp posts and sidewalks which were damaged, etc.
 
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