My moment of weakness

#21
Ya know, having looked at her site, I have to say that if I were still in this market I'd have no hesitation paying the rates she's charging. Notice that there's no clock running -- she's charging a lump "date" rate, in the expectation that you'll have a "date" rather than a session. This is just what I liked.
 
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#22
As for Axe v. franca -- come on, Axe: the whole point of evaluating a woman's looks objectively is disregarding whether or not she hits you in the Monkey Bone.
Who's arguing? Not me. She's attractive by any objective measure.

What's slipping in here through the side door is an argument over whether her fee is justified by her looks? That's not what I'm talking about.

I'm trying to get a read on whether or not the OP thinks she's worth it. All I've seen so far tells me he is unsure, and if that's the case, my $0.02 says take a pass on this one.
 
#23
I think the whole point of it is twofold:

1. Looks alone are NEVER worth it.

2. You can't ever know if it's worth it until after you've done it.

So if the amount of money is one you have to worry about losing, don't do it.
 
#24
(This is why I think what you and I concentrate on -- takeout from strip clubs -- is so much smarter. You never know how things will turn out, of course -- but you at least know if you LIKE the person before you pull the proverbial trigger.)
 
#25
So really this discussion is kind of worthless.

First problem is, you can't tell if some prostitute is "worth it" just from her ad. That's elementary. The most we could say is whether she's potentially "worth it" (which I, for one, think she is -- but only if you can afford to lose the money if it doesn't turn out well).

Second, we don't even know what walk97 usually looks for from commercial sex. This woman's ad makes clear that, as is often the case in the so-called "high end", it won't be an hour and a half of monkey sex. This (excellent) thread tells the story. Does walk97 think he'd enjoy spending social time hanging out with a trained dancer (assuming her website info is real)? Does walk97 even want substantial social time as part of a commercial sex session?
 
#27
Having found this, I wonder whether what this woman purports to be selling is really what walk97 wants, and so whether this expenditure would be worth it for him:

So I'm not really into the whole GFE thing. I love BBBJ, CIM and a provider with a fun and sexy attitude. I especially like an aggressive woman. I'm not crazy about DFK. I'm also not really big on fake chit chat with a provider. It sounds to me like I might prefer PSE over GFE. The only problem is that when I hear PSE, I think of porn stars with ridiculously huge fake tits, too much makeup, and an all around fake experience.
So, does anybody know of any cute young petite providers who look like real girls but act like porn stars? I think I'm more likely to find an oldeer lady who fits the bill, but if there are any recommendations on younger girls I'd like to hear them.
By the way, I have done some research on this, and I believe I am posting this in its proper place, so hold off on the flamethrowers.
And also, check out the review I just posted in the New York forum, under the new reviews thread. I can contribute!
Thanks.
OTOH, maybe if it went well it would be a revelation to him.

On the third hand, if he found out he liked this, maybe it would be the worst thing that could happen to him.
 
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#31
However, he's asking for advice and money is indeed a concern of his, so I disagree with you here on this point. You can't ignore his money concerns in this thread. It's part of the equation for him.
I didn't.

As in the alternative section, the posters should respect the nature of the High End Room. People who will never pay more than 200 dollars for a session should not intrude and make this discussion about money only.



Also my advise didn't really exclude him either.
 
#32
A number of great posts here from justlooking and the thread that he referred to us was a true must-read.

It is also a reminder of how many of the subjects that we discuss today, have been been substantially treated before here in UG. This site is a treasure if you have the patience to search around.
 

Slinky Bender

The All Powerful Moderator
#33
To each his own. For $3K I'd fly to Amsterdam and spend a few days mongering and smoking. Jimydr could probably monger for a month in the Dominican Republic. But, this is the high end room so you're into a different kick. I just worry that this chick isn't extensively reviewed. Not like Tatum Reed who pops up on UG from time to time. You're reluctance to book her is your spider senses tingling...

In this particular thread, I guess it's a discussion about is the high end worth it even though it's asked about a particular person. But I would like to remind everyone that in general, the above post comes close to the line for this section.

But also: of course high end women aren't going to be extensively reveiwed: they do a lot fewer sessions and the guys who see them tend not to post on PMBs period and even those who do don't post because guys too often answer their reviews with " For $3K I'd fly to Amsterdam and .....". Tatum Reed is a bit of a "straw man" in this argument because she's a self admitted "pop whore" and does everything she can to publicise herself on PMBs and anywhere else she can.
 

billyS

Reign of Terror
#34
But also: of course high end women aren't going to be extensively reveiwed: they do a lot fewer sessions and the guys who see them tend not to post on PMBs period .
Thats too bad because I'd be curious what goes on in a high end session. Besides the girls looks what makes a session worth 3K?

I think that if high end reviews were more frequent then after a while we'd get less of the 'I'd fly to Amsterdam' comments.

But you're right, guys who use PBM's tend to be bargain .
 
#35
Thats too bad because I'd be curious what goes on in a high end session. Besides the girls looks what makes a session worth 3K?
I don't post reviews, but I can tell you THAT (based on extensive experience with the lower end of the high end).

The general model is: it's like a date. The woman is someone you might really imagine yourself hanging out with in real life (assuming you're an upper-middle-class-to-upper-class post-graduate educated guy). You spend at least as much time out of bed as in bed. In bed, there are few limits -- but it's not crazily technique-oriented.

Some academic sociologist is about to publish a book on this market segment. Among his findings are that more than 60% of the customers of the women he studied didn't have sex with them. I find that a little surprising, but not in any way shocking, if you know what I mean. (I'd have guessed it was more like 40%.)
 
#36
Thanks for the input.

Thank you all for valuable points made here. I really appreciate it.

First: I apologize if my post is close to crossing a line in regards to the rules of the High End Room. I have never questioned whether high end service should exist, nor that providers should charge those prices. I have no problem with the idea of high end. I have paid between $160 and $1600 for the services of an escort in my career. The root of my problem, as Axe suggested, is that I'm way too analytical. Its hard for me not to think about value in regards to escorts because they are a commodity. Or at least their services are a commodity. We pay for their services, but before we do each of us has to decide whether we think it will be "worth it." Although Justlooking is right, we will only know if its worth it after we've had it. By the way, great detective work, justlooking, on digging up my post ISO the PSE. I know that a date with Juliet Stone would be more like a real date, and then I might actually have to work to get to the sex. And do I want that?

Looking at her pictures, she does light my fire. And if money were no object, I'd not only book a session with her, I'd book sessions with many other ladies. Perhaps at some point in the future if finances aren't weighing so heavily on my mind, I'll contact her. But if I booked an appointment right now, I'm probably setting myself up for disappointment.

Again, I am humbled by the experienced folks sharing their knowledge on this board.
 

billyS

Reign of Terror
#37
The general model is: it's like a date. The woman is someone you might really imagine yourself hanging out with in real life (assuming you're an upper-middle-class-to-upper-class post-graduate educated guy). You spend at least as much time out of bed as in bed.
So she is more of an 'escort'. Someone you wouldn't be afraid to be seen in public with.
 

franca

<color=pink>Silver</color>
#39
There actually are PMBs (or at least one that I know of) where guys routinely write reviews of high end escorts. The vast majority of those high end escorts are European. The market is very different because in many European countries, prostitution isn't criminal, so the high end thrives by being truly high end, not just high-priced.
 
#40
In this particular thread, I guess it's a discussion about is the high end worth it even though it's asked about a particular person. But I would like to remind everyone that in general, the above post comes close to the line for this section.

But also: of course high end women aren't going to be extensively reveiwed: they do a lot fewer sessions and the guys who see them tend not to post on PMBs period and even those who do don't post because guys too often answer their reviews with " For $3K I'd fly to Amsterdam and .....". Tatum Reed is a bit of a "straw man" in this argument because she's a self admitted "pop whore" and does everything she can to publicise herself on PMBs and anywhere else she can.
Obviously, it was not my intention to cross the line nor, in fact, to come close to the line. I mentioned Amsterdam because, well Amsterdam's been on my mind lately (time to book a trip). And point taken about the scarcity of reviews on high-end providers. I should have said something to the effect of a lack of seemingly reliable reviews. Is there a Robert Parker of high-end ladies??? And I mentioned Tatum Reed because she's been on this board but I understand that she's does more marketing than the average high-end lady. In fact, she probably belongs in the porn-star category more than the high-end. But I could be wrong and for the record, if I had the scratch, I'd hit Tatum. And back in the day, when I did have the scratch, I did dabble in the high-end. But that was a long time ago and the high-end was $1K.
 
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