Flushing KTVs / Hostess Bars

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One of my accountants is a Taiwanese guy. He had been telling me for some time that he knew another Taiwanese man that I should talk with, professionally, and I said sure, set it up.

We set it up for last night. I asked him where we were going [in Flushing] but he told me he didn't really know the addresses or business names, so I said no problem, pick me up and we'll all go together.

The first place we went was on Northern Blvd, just north of Union Street. I've driven by there many times but never paid it much attention. There's a narrow alley and parking lot in the back, and we had the pleasure of entering through the kitchen. The girls are Korean/Chinese, meaning they speak both languages and have family roots in NE China or South Korea.

I've been to many similar places in Asia, but never really liked them much because of the smoking. Well, thanks to Mayor Bloomberg, there's absolutely no smoking in the KTVs here! I was 95% sure that I knew the mamasan there from somewhere else, perhaps a KMP in another state in a prior era.

So let's cut to the chase. The girls are great to look at, no question. There are some really sexy girls there. But only about 1/5 can carry on a conversation, and by now I'm pretty good at it. The girls drink with you and ask you to buy a fruit platter. The bill was $138 about an hour later, and I think my friend tipped another $40. I didn't really feel it was value because the girls were mostly on the other side of the bar, but there was one tall girl that was really hot to look at and cordial to talk with. The music was also a bit too loud. Sometimes it's good to remember just how good they can look under the right circumstances. That's surely a key reason we do this - there are a few out there who are absolutely stunning.

The second place was much better. Again the girls were Chinese/Korean. Just off Northern Blvd, not far from the orange-colored supermarket, it looked inconspicuous from the street, but inside the place was hopping. We sat at a booth and I quickly learned this is the right seating decision. The girls need to sit in the booth with you; they're not across the bar. And the fun begins. Their goal is to get you to take a room downstairs. I later learned that a guest earlier that week ran up a bill of ~$1,500 by drinking three $450 bottles of something. So I would avoid that option. There were some hot looking young girls, but we talked at greater length with the manager and owner. I have a series of questions I ask and they passed all my tests. Then they started asking their own questions, and the owner got excited at how collectively smart we 3 guys were. The manager told me she had been forced to drink so much booze last night that she really couldn't drink booze with us tonight, and I said no problem, drink tea or whatever, and it was as if I had just touched down from the moon. I guess so many of the Asian guys just have their rituals and if the girl says she can't drink booze the guys get pissed off, whatever.

The conversations and laughter waned and waxed, legs were touched, bodies were pressed together, men were sandwiched among women, pieces of fruit were tactfully placed in each other's mouths, etc. The music was not too loud - check. We talked about whether it was good for them to try to get white guys as customers, what the white guys' expectations were, etc. I think we need Prix Fixe options and I'm going to cultivate that idea. Those of you who know my prior writing are aware that my M.O. is that you always want to make good friends, because the ones you become friends with are your vector to their friends. And believe me, they all have friends that want to meet us.

Eventually the owner asked for my phone # and I gave her my Google Voice #. Note: never give out your cell phone #. Get a Google Voice # or similar. Using my sales training techniques, I asked, what would she do IF I gave her my #? Eventually we established that with her schedule and lifestyle, she doesn't get to eat a lot of home-cooked meals, and I may get my cooking lady to come over and cook a nice meal for all of us.

There were terrific hugs and groping at the end, and the bill was a mere $68 for ~1.5 hours of beer + fruit for the 3 of us. I think my friend tipped $30 and told me not to tip more. I'll follow up with another visit and report back. I think having a place like this as a coded UG destination with Prix Fixe options might provide the environment and collegiality some UGers are looking for. And there's absolutely the possibility for extracurriculars, but it will take some cultivation on your part.
 
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Your esteem in my opinion knows no bounds. You asked once how we could meet so I may buy you that drink, well my friend you have stumbled on to something very enticing. If you need a wingman, count me in.

I must maintain my anonymity in real life, we will figure out something. This is extremely promising.

Regards,

Pops
 
#4
We talked about whether it was good for them to try to get white guys as customers, what the white guys' expectations were, etc. I think we need Prix Fixe options and I'm going to cultivate that idea.
So I went a second time with my friends and this time we stayed for 4+ hours. Our bill was $370 + maybe another $100 in tips. The girls were drinking a lot of some nasty plum wine ($20/bottle) from Korea.

Parts of the evening were good, even great, but I wasn't entirely satisfied because some of the girls were just too aggressive in asking for the plum wine. Like anything, getting what you want takes work. I don't need the girl to drink that plum wine, and I would rather play and tip her well than watch her drink. But that doesn't seem to be the Asian customers' M.O.

I talked at greater length with the owner and I told her about needing Prix Fixe and a bilingual ordering menu for the guys who can't speak Korean or Chinese. It should happen but it's a work in progress and hopefully will get done this summer. Their business is really busy so I don't have much leverage. When I have clarity, I'll provide it.

P.S. One of the girls was really young, like 22 or 23 max. Her face was flawless. The owner said there's another girl that's even younger. If any of you want to stroll along Northern Blvd, both sides of the street [and the side streets], near the orange supermarket, you might find even better shops. Just don't go for a private room on your first visit, and only stay at a place with booths so that the girls have to sit next to you.
 
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So I went a second time with my friends and this time we stayed for 4+ hours. Our bill was $370 + maybe another $100 in tips. The girls were drinking a lot of some nasty plum wine ($20/bottle) from Korea.

Parts of the evening were good, even great, but I wasn't entirely satisfied because some of the girls were just too aggressive in asking for the plum wine. Like anything, getting what you want takes work. I don't need the girl to drink that plum wine, and I would rather play and tip her well than watch her drink. But that doesn't seem to be the Asian customers' M.O.

I talked at greater length with the owner and I told her about needing Prix Fixe and a bilingual ordering menu for the guys who can't speak Korean or Chinese. It should happen but it's a work in progress and hopefully will get done this summer. Their business is really busy so I don't have much leverage. When I have clarity, I'll provide it.

P.S. One of the girls was really young, like 22 or 23 max. Her face was flawless. The owner said there's another girl that's even younger. If any of you want to stroll along Northern Blvd, both sides of the street [and the side streets], near the orange supermarket, you might find even better shops. Just don't go for a private room on your first visit, and only stay at a place with booths so that the girls have to sit next to you.

I went to couple of those clubs... all I knew is that the girls are trying to make u spend... although chicks are better looking .. make up or dark .. who knows lol.. anyway.. I once tried to get a girl (just dinner or hang out)... at least $100-500 besides the cost of meals or anything... may just go straight for AMP or Escort better..
 
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I went to couple of those clubs... all I knew is that the girls are trying to make u spend... although chicks are better looking .. make up or dark .. who knows lol.. anyway.. I once tried to get a girl (just dinner or hang out)... at least $100-500 besides the cost of meals or anything... may just go straight for AMP or Escort better..
There's plenty of cute girls working in restaurants in Flushing. Unless she's married it's rare that you would get rejected asking for her phone #.
 
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#7
There's plenty of cute girls working in restaurants in Flushing. Unless she's married it's rare that you would get rejected asking for her phone #.
I know MrTaiwan... but it is a bit strange to pick girls up like that.. have u gotten one by that? hook me up bro hahah
 
#8
There's plenty of cute girls working in restaurants in Flushing. Unless she's married it's rare that you would get rejected asking for her phone #.
No they will not not give you a phone number (love those double negative sentances.). But sometimes you find out, it is not theirs. LOL My ABC friends at Asian social functions told me this was common.
 
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I know MrTaiwan... but it is a bit strange to pick girls up like that.. have u gotten one by that? hook me up bro hahah
Lamps this is much easier than you think. A good percent of chinese woman are no nonsense types (meaning they do not play "hard to get") and they are counting on men to ask them out. Same thing with hair salons. In the matter-of-fact, you can watch the girls groom themselves in the morning just for that purpose.
 
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I went to couple of those clubs... all I knew is that the girls are trying to make u spend... although chicks are better looking .. make up or dark .. who knows lol.. anyway.. I once tried to get a girl (just dinner or hang out)... at least $100-500 besides the cost of meals or anything... may just go straight for AMP or Escort better..
Mr. Taiwan is actually right about the restaurants being a great source of dates. But what you posted above is a terrible place to get a chinese girl friend if that is your intention. Better places besides restaurants are the Flushing library, Starbucks, and food markets. Being a gweilo you have the instant pick up line asking someone about the various strange foods that are there. There are underground restaurants off Main Street, where it is easy to see groups of young woman eating by themselves and you can ask them what it is. Instant conversation. And you will know in three minutes from their body language whether they are interested or not. You can tell them, you will pay if they let you try something different. Since all the items are like $4, not much of an investment.
 
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No they will not not give you a phone number (love those double negative sentances.). But sometimes you find out, it is not theirs. LOL My ABC friends at Asian social functions told me this was common.
I am asian, and it is a sense of self-protection... it's like you won't give your home address to a stranger... Epecially in the US, all kind of crazy things can be happened... news like a person for killed for a quarter, an old lady(forgot how old.. may be 70+) was raped in a church..... most asian who worked in a restaurant immigrated to tje US.. imagine if you were in a foreign country, I dun think you would give out your person numbers to strangers easily

numbers are only given usually if you can be trusted such as you are her friend's friends.. unless the girls are either too innocent or open minded
 
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Lamps this is much easier than you think. A good percent of chinese woman are no nonsense types (meaning they do not play "hard to get") and they are counting on men to ask them out. Same thing with hair salons. In the matter-of-fact, you can watch the girls groom themselves in the morning just for that purpose.
Haha.. I think the groom part is a daily usual thing to dress up themselves before you go to work..
 
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Mr. Taiwan is actually right about the restaurants being a great source of dates. But what you posted above is a terrible place to get a chinese girl friend if that is your intention. Better places besides restaurants are the Flushing library, Starbucks, and food markets. Being a gweilo you have the instant pick up line asking someone about the various strange foods that are there. There are underground restaurants off Main Street, where it is easy to see groups of young woman eating by themselves and you can ask them what it is. Instant conversation. And you will know in three minutes from their body language whether they are interested or not. You can tell them, you will pay if they let you try something different. Since all the items are like $4, not much of an investment.
The Intention is the key.. if you are asking for what kind of food they are eating, it is totally understandable.. but if u ask their numbers or try to be their friends with these simply pick up line won't really work unless the girls are open minded or quite innocent without sense of protection...

it may trigger something in their mind that it is kind of strange that why would a stranger want to be a friend like that, and they know what is ur attention basically... even if you are asian...and it applies to any other culture or races...
 
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The Intention is the key.. if you are asking for what kind of food they are eating, it is totally understandable.. but if u ask their numbers or try to be their friends with these simply pick up line won't really work unless the girls are open minded or quite innocent without sense of protection...

it may trigger something in their mind that it is kind of strange that why would a stranger want to be a friend like that, and they know what is ur attention basically... even if you are asian...and it applies to any other culture or races...
I am sorry, but I do not agree. It is so simple. I was a legit massage place yesterday with the intention of getting in to her pants (not successful). She was a legit massage person only new to the business. She was not interested in any sensual part, but my routine worked and she made it very very clear that she was open to dating. just met her ony half an hour ago. I was 19 years (maybe less since they all lie) her senior.

I only used that as an exmaple because that was yesterday. I have many such encounters in business. I have met woman in supermarkets, restaurants etc. They have low expectations of gweilo men to be subtle and they do arouse their curiousities is a certain % of them. Confidence and sense of humor is key as in all women. Ask them out but in a way that you do not expect them to say no. If I met a woman out in restaurant, I would have them meet me at one of the underground restaurant malls, and tell her that I would like her to teach me about what I am eating. It sounds innocent enough and may be fun.

Now you being asian, well this just isnt going to work. But you have other things going for you like comfort level and language. My Chinese friends have often complained that it is hard to meet chinese women that are decent looking. They are either going for the more successful guys, gangster types or gweilos.

And I married one, so I must have pulled this off at least once. LOL
 
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Confidence and sense of humor is key as in all women. Ask them out but in a way that you do not expect them to say no.
It's not much more complicated than that. If she says no, and you want to show her that you really are powerful, just ask her if she has a friend. I can't tell you how well that's worked over the years.
 
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Hey guys, maybe someone can help me out, I'd really appreciate it.

I just moved back to flushing after about 7 years away. I have a group of 5 guys visiting. One guy is getting married for the second time, so we're not looking for a whole bachelor party vibe, but I remember there used to be several bars/KTVs where they would send girls into the rooms with you.

I walked around last Friday for a while, and stopped in Zebra Lounge, which was cool, a very nice place, but it wasn't that kind of place (I did hang out at the bar and have some good food and beer). On main street/prince street, I didn't go in places. It's changed a lot in 7+ years.

Anyone have any recommendations for a KTV or bar where they'll send girls over to the table/room? we're not looking for anything "extra", and everyone is pretty respectful. Two guys are Asian, one speaks extremely poor Korean, and the other speaks Chinese well, but may not make it until the following day. So language could possibly be an issue.

Most of the guys are staying in that hotel on northern near farrington street, so a place in flushing would be ideal, but we could go east on northern if necessary. I just don't want to involve too many cabs. Going east to about 162nd street would be the limit.

This seems to be the consensus on what everyone wants to do; have a little fun, but not get the married guys into any hot water. Have a few drinks and relax.

Any place I could possibly check out myself first? Back in the day, I never went without a group. Also, what are prices like these days? I remember it wasn't cheap, we always bought a bottle, but I only went twice and don't remember exact details (drinking will do that)...

Thanks...
 
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Most of the guys are staying in that hotel on northern near farrington street, so a place in flushing would be ideal, but we could go east on northern if necessary. I just don't want to involve too many cabs. Going east to about 162nd street would be the limit.
Korean and Chinese spoken here:

On Northern, east of the SE corner of Northern & Union. Pink sign. Walking distance.

On 159th St. north of the NE corner @ Northern. They can arrange car service to return home.
 
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Korean and Chinese spoken here:

On Northern, east of the SE corner of Northern & Union. Pink sign. Walking distance.

On 159th St. north of the NE corner @ Northern. They can arrange car service to return home.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

Last weekend, I was out in bayside, and on the way home I stopped in a place on 162nd street between Sanford and northern. East side of the street. It was kind of late, and the place was kind of empty. I got off the LIRR stop right at northern there (I was drinking and didn't want to drive that night). There were a couple of older woman in there, and I couldn't get a decent feel for the place. Not even sure if it was a hostess bar because it was so empty.

Now, this is most likely my fault because I was a little on the drunk side (not too bad, and Im a pretty low-key guy), and it was late, so they might have been near closing- although I don't know that for sure. I also don't speak the language.

I'm going to give one of your suggestions a shot this weekend, and I'll let u guys know...I have about 5 weeks before everyone comes up, so I want to make sure we are not searching that night, but have it worked out before.

I'm gonna stop in by myself and try to sit at the bar (if possible) and check those places out. Hopefully I can do this without offending anyone. I'll spend what I have to to hang out for a while, and tip well, but I don't know if that's cool with these establishments. I never went in alone before last weekend.

Again, thanks for your response. I appreciate it...

T
 
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Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

I'm gonna stop in by myself and try to sit at the bar (if possible) and check those places out. Hopefully I can do this without offending anyone. I'll spend what I have to to hang out for a while, and tip well, but I don't know if that's cool with these establishments. I never went in alone before last weekend.

Again, thanks for your response. I appreciate it...

T
You're welcome.

What you describe above is fine and welcomed. I like the place on 159th best and once helped the owner with some computer issues at her apartment. If you go you can mention the referral to the owner. At the other place on Northern at Union, there was one of the most stunning girls I've ever seen in my life, but of course she could be long gone.
 
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This past Friday I checked out both places mentioned by mrtaiwan, and either of them would be fine for that night out I'm planning. I really thought it would be more difficult to find something due to the language barrier, but thanks to mrtaiwan there's a couple of options already.

I met a buddy of mine at the one closer to main street, that was was somewhat crowded. The other was less crowded, but still a very good place.

Now, initially there was some tension, partly I think because I showed up by myself and I don't know if that's too common (my exceedingly late friend was late even by his standards). There was a little back-and-forth, and my not speaking the language didn't help, but it all worked out after I made it clear I'd respect whatever rules there were.

Slowly, the proverbial ice broke, and before long everyone was having a good time. Even a couple of other customers warmed up a little, which brings me to my next point...

This one guy, in very broken English, and very much drunk, was suggesting another bar/KTV near the downtown area. From northern blvd, he just kept pointing west toward the northern blvd bridge. What I got was that there were supposedly very beautiful woman there. Now, this could be any number of places I guess, and what I'm providing is an essentially useleless detail, but if I get a chance I'll check out around there and see what I come up with.

In the end, all the girls were very nice, so I bought enough alcohol and tipped well, and got home damn late, but happy enough.
 
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