Do not talk to the police - ever!
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on a traffic ticket im 100% with you. i give them the card first thing.
But.... im not gonna give them my girlfriend's brother's card if im stopped with a ho in the car. ... bucause... im not to keen on her brother finding something like that out.
thats the only point i was making. he doesnt care if im driving up on sidewalks at 90 mph.
But.... im not gonna give them my girlfriend's brother's card if im stopped with a ho in the car. ... bucause... im not to keen on her brother finding something like that out.
thats the only point i was making. he doesnt care if im driving up on sidewalks at 90 mph.
You aren't quite correct in your statements above.
The "Fraternal Order of Police" is just that, a fraternal organization. The lodges, which is what a local organization is called, can either be a social organizations made up of LE members, family and other "associate members' from all manner of jurisdictions or they can be open to the membership of only one department. In the latter case they are almost always also collective bargaining units for that membership.
The Police Benevolent Association are a group locals, which is what the local organizations are called, and are always only open to membership from a specific law enforcement department and are always collective bargaining agents for that group.
The FOP does not care if you belong also to the PBA. The PBA very much cares if you also belong to the FOP, having spawned court cases in several states to sue for the right to kick members of the PBA out of the locals [black balling] if it is found they are also members of the FOP.
The first, last, and only time you will see me write this: Unofficially, what you are referencing are called "courtesy cards". I will simply say that they imply the person carrying one is a friend or family member of the officer whose card it is and it is presented from the presenter as a third party request for professional courtesy. It doesn't obligate the officer presented the card in any way and whether that request is honored will be totally at that officer's discretion. Though in truth in minor situations such request is far more often obliged than declined.
Officially such cards are simply ways of indicating the card holder is a friend or family member who supports their friend or relatives FOP or PBA safe driver program. The cards are neither the property of the holder or of the officer who signed it, but belong to the state FOP or PBA organizations [or issuing authority in other cases] and can be taken by any law enforcement officer and held. IOW, if presented to an officer that officer may determine you shouldn't be carrying it and will hold it. Normally it would be forwarded through the state delegate of that organization back to the issuing officer with an explanation of why it was held.
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The refusal to take the breathalyzer exam in NJ [NJSA 39:4-50.2] isn't issued instead of the the Driving while under the influence charge [NJSA 39:4-50], but in addition too. So if you refuse a lawful order to take either a breathalyzer or blood exam you can be found guilty of both refusal of the implied consent law AND driving under the influence.
The "Fraternal Order of Police" is just that, a fraternal organization. The lodges, which is what a local organization is called, can either be a social organizations made up of LE members, family and other "associate members' from all manner of jurisdictions or they can be open to the membership of only one department. In the latter case they are almost always also collective bargaining units for that membership.
The Police Benevolent Association are a group locals, which is what the local organizations are called, and are always only open to membership from a specific law enforcement department and are always collective bargaining agents for that group.
The FOP does not care if you belong also to the PBA. The PBA very much cares if you also belong to the FOP, having spawned court cases in several states to sue for the right to kick members of the PBA out of the locals [black balling] if it is found they are also members of the FOP.
The first, last, and only time you will see me write this: Unofficially, what you are referencing are called "courtesy cards". I will simply say that they imply the person carrying one is a friend or family member of the officer whose card it is and it is presented from the presenter as a third party request for professional courtesy. It doesn't obligate the officer presented the card in any way and whether that request is honored will be totally at that officer's discretion. Though in truth in minor situations such request is far more often obliged than declined.
Officially such cards are simply ways of indicating the card holder is a friend or family member who supports their friend or relatives FOP or PBA safe driver program. The cards are neither the property of the holder or of the officer who signed it, but belong to the state FOP or PBA organizations [or issuing authority in other cases] and can be taken by any law enforcement officer and held. IOW, if presented to an officer that officer may determine you shouldn't be carrying it and will hold it. Normally it would be forwarded through the state delegate of that organization back to the issuing officer with an explanation of why it was held.
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The refusal to take the breathalyzer exam in NJ [NJSA 39:4-50.2] isn't issued instead of the the Driving while under the influence charge [NJSA 39:4-50], but in addition too. So if you refuse a lawful order to take either a breathalyzer or blood exam you can be found guilty of both refusal of the implied consent law AND driving under the influence.
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my 2 cents
Yes, automatic suspension and there can result in a higher charge. That said never at the scene. NEVER. Refuse when they pull you over. At the precinct, now that some time has past, you will hopefully appear a little less intoxicated. I still think a refusal is on order. And a suspended license beats an admission and high number on the breathalyzer.
As for talking to the police:
If you are already under arrest, under all circumstances: SHUT THE FUCK UP.
If you are asked to come in for questioning: CALL YOUR LAWYER IMMEDIATELY. (if you don't have one, get one and follow his or her advice.
If the cops appear and just want to talk. ASK TO CALL A LAWYER AND SHUT UP.
If you are going to talk to the police, let your lawyer arrange it. In most cases, if he decides the benefit of a conversation, outweigh the GRAVE risks, he will likely secure a Queen for a day agreement, which allows you to speak but prevents law enforcement from using those statements against you directly in most circumstances. And then if you do go in, DO NOT LIE. Lying to law enforcement in also a crime in many States and in the all federal jurisdictions.
All of that said, I still say: SHUT THE FUCK Up
The professor is 1000% correct.
Yes, automatic suspension and there can result in a higher charge. That said never at the scene. NEVER. Refuse when they pull you over. At the precinct, now that some time has past, you will hopefully appear a little less intoxicated. I still think a refusal is on order. And a suspended license beats an admission and high number on the breathalyzer.
As for talking to the police:
If you are already under arrest, under all circumstances: SHUT THE FUCK UP.
If you are asked to come in for questioning: CALL YOUR LAWYER IMMEDIATELY. (if you don't have one, get one and follow his or her advice.
If the cops appear and just want to talk. ASK TO CALL A LAWYER AND SHUT UP.
If you are going to talk to the police, let your lawyer arrange it. In most cases, if he decides the benefit of a conversation, outweigh the GRAVE risks, he will likely secure a Queen for a day agreement, which allows you to speak but prevents law enforcement from using those statements against you directly in most circumstances. And then if you do go in, DO NOT LIE. Lying to law enforcement in also a crime in many States and in the all federal jurisdictions.
All of that said, I still say: SHUT THE FUCK Up
The professor is 1000% correct.
Here is what happens at the office breathalyzer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1VmGjJJFrc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1VmGjJJFrc&feature=related
From a human nature perspective, I would think you would be worse off if you flashed that little card in a very visible fashion. If you are trying that trick with a speeding ticket, well the cop just shrugs and figures I can nab someone else in ten minutes anyhow, so why give grief to a friend of the force. A serious bust would be another matter, especially with plainclothes units etc. I'm just riffing here, so take it FWIW.
IMHO -You never "flash" it - especially if the others being ID'd dont have one. What you do is you have it in one of those little clear plastic fold-outs in your wallet and it just happens to be opposite ( and easily seen) where you keep your ID. They always want you to take your ID out and hand it to them - if while doing that they also happen to see the card.....
This is how I've seen it done in traffic stops. However, a neighbor cop I know says it doesnt do any good for him to even show his badge if stopped for speeding by local police upstate.
This is how I've seen it done in traffic stops. However, a neighbor cop I know says it doesnt do any good for him to even show his badge if stopped for speeding by local police upstate.
Saw this on CL. Do you think this would work or is she kidding herself?
I'M AN INDEPENDANT PROVIDER IN CT. By contacting me, U AGREE THAT:
1)THIS IS NOT AN ILLEGAL OFFER. THAT I'M PAID FOR MY TIME AND COMPANIONSHIP ONLY;
2) I WILL NOT BE OFFERED ANY MONEY FOR ANY SEX ACT;
3) U ARE NOT PART OF ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND U DO NOT WORK FOR OR WITH ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES;
4) VIOLATION OF THIS AGREEMENT IS ENTRAPMENT
I'M AN INDEPENDANT PROVIDER IN CT. By contacting me, U AGREE THAT:
1)THIS IS NOT AN ILLEGAL OFFER. THAT I'M PAID FOR MY TIME AND COMPANIONSHIP ONLY;
2) I WILL NOT BE OFFERED ANY MONEY FOR ANY SEX ACT;
3) U ARE NOT PART OF ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND U DO NOT WORK FOR OR WITH ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES;
4) VIOLATION OF THIS AGREEMENT IS ENTRAPMENT
All that stuff about not talking to 5-0 is absolutely true...if you get caught, and they are doing a sweep, you are gonna go to the can ...and when they write their report, they are trained to write reports that solely favor prosecution....your explanations will be twisted, selectively quoted, and you'll read stuff that makes you look like Jack-The-Ripper!..It will be as if you were never at THAT incident, but you'll be prosecuted for it!!!TRUST ME, KEEP YOU TRAP SHUT !!! And remember the principal of the six (6) P's...prior preparation prevents piss poor performance......do your due diligence and scope out the place you're at before you are pulled over for circling an area....most unmarked cruisers can be pretty easily id'd!...Always be suspicious of a regular looking car in the area that carries TWO occupants...if you see that, find some other place to play...BE SMART!
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