"Cop check" on a provider is totally useless at protecting the client, so why would any girl expect that of her john? It's as useless as the posted disclaimer that providers put in their ads stating that the fee is only for their time or when they ask you if you are LE. All of this crap is pointless. Sometimes this hobby is so damn stupid.
Discussions with Providers - Staying Out of Trouble!
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The only "LE check" which I have known to be anything worthwhile is when girls, before discussing anything, suck your dick for a short while. Not that under the law cops can't do that and still arrest them, but most DAs are reluctant to take a case to court where the arresting officer admits to having any form of sex with someone before arresting them.
I'm not sure if you are referring to the girl (as a decoy) or the guy being the cop. Obviously my concern is the girl being a cop. From what I read about the "Flush the johns" bust as soon as the guy came near the decoy the backups took him down. The ones that went to trial where the judge ruled for the guy there was no mention of sexual service being requested - the guy showing up in the room was "proof" enough according to the DA and the judge didn't buy it. Also I can't imagine a decoy allowing the john to put his hands down her bra and panties no less sucking his dick - doesn't mean it cant happen but not in Nassau/Suffolk county - ND would have a field day on that.
As far as the cop being the john, putting his hand down down her bra and panties w/o her explicit permission (the girl asks me if I'm a cop and I put my hand down her bra and panties w/o her explicit permission - she doesn't stop me but no explicit permission or instruction to do so) would be an assault or forcible touching on her (I guess - I'm not a legal type).
What say you?
As far as the cop being the john, putting his hand down down her bra and panties w/o her explicit permission (the girl asks me if I'm a cop and I put my hand down her bra and panties w/o her explicit permission - she doesn't stop me but no explicit permission or instruction to do so) would be an assault or forcible touching on her (I guess - I'm not a legal type).
What say you?
I agree with both of you, Slinky and genius. But it's the conflict between these actions which I find worrisome. That is, it would put a monger's mind at ease if upon entering the room, the girl sucked his dick for awhile, as Slinky pointed out, because no self-respecting female UC cop is going to do that. On the other hand, if the cops are going to bust you in a sting setup, they will do so just after you enter the room, as genius pointed out. And while you may be able to beat that rap, as some of the Flush Johns did, the embarrassment, time, and cost of the arrest is punishment enough. So how do you safely get to that confirmation BJ if merely walking in the room can get you busted?
As far as I can tell you can't if they can bust you for just walking into the room. I recall one guy (who got his case thrown out by the judge) walked into the room, he said to forget it and walked out. The decoy chased him and she and follow up arrested him. Yeah, he beat the rap but not w/o much "embarrassment, time, and cost".
So, if you are not willing to roll the dice, find some other way to get your rocks off.
So, if you are not willing to roll the dice, find some other way to get your rocks off.
A liberal Judge vs.a Conservative Judge can make all the difference in a prosecution.For example some grey issues of probable cause or other pre- trial issues can be suppressed and therefore not available for jury or trial judge to use as evidence.These decisions are somewhat subjective on the courts part and may be subject to appeal . There are also many issues that have already been clarified in precident cases in the higher courts which Judges may use to throw out Or keep evidence that either side believes is justified.There are many variables at play but with the flush the Johns cases there were blatantly obvious LE procedural problems and the right judge to take them on.
Yeah, I find it amusing when the girl asked "are you a cop?" and I say "no - are you?". They must know that cops can lie and it will hold up in court. Although, when I ask her if she is a cop and she says no it gives me the entrée to say "ok, lets make sure" and I walk over to put my hand under her bra and then down her panties. Although not as good as having her "suck your dick for a short while" I seriously doubt any LE decoy would allow me to do that. Once that is done we can talk specifics. Its hard to prove a negative, as I've never been busted after putting my hand under her bra and then down her panties (never ben busted period) soon I can't prove it is a sure thing.
BTW Slinky - how do you know "DA's are reluctant to take a case to court where the arresting officer admits to having any form of sex with someone before arresting them"? I would assume so but it is only an assumption as I don't know any DAs to ask such a question.
As far as SW's I say "do you need a ride". I once pulled onto a side street right past a woman who looked out of place for the area. She gave me a big smile as I drove past. The side street was the only place I could pull over to as the main drag had no shoulder there. She came over to the driver's side (another red flag) and said "What's up" or something similar. I said I was just answering my sell phone and asked if she was looking for a ride. She said no and just walked away. I drove away and circled back and parked across the street from the side street. Soon after another car drove past her and then stopped at the side street. she walked over, had a short conversation with the guy the walked away. The guy then drove down the side street (not easy to make a U turn there) and 200 ft down a car cut him off, two guys with badges on there necks jumped out, got him out of his car, cuffed him and one drove him away and the other drove his car away to where uniforms were and a tow truck. They were back at their spot in about 5 minutes waiting for the next john.
BTW Slinky - how do you know "DA's are reluctant to take a case to court where the arresting officer admits to having any form of sex with someone before arresting them"? I would assume so but it is only an assumption as I don't know any DAs to ask such a question.
As far as SW's I say "do you need a ride". I once pulled onto a side street right past a woman who looked out of place for the area. She gave me a big smile as I drove past. The side street was the only place I could pull over to as the main drag had no shoulder there. She came over to the driver's side (another red flag) and said "What's up" or something similar. I said I was just answering my sell phone and asked if she was looking for a ride. She said no and just walked away. I drove away and circled back and parked across the street from the side street. Soon after another car drove past her and then stopped at the side street. she walked over, had a short conversation with the guy the walked away. The guy then drove down the side street (not easy to make a U turn there) and 200 ft down a car cut him off, two guys with badges on there necks jumped out, got him out of his car, cuffed him and one drove him away and the other drove his car away to where uniforms were and a tow truck. They were back at their spot in about 5 minutes waiting for the next john.
From videos online to the tv show COPS, all the prostitution sting ops have mostly one thing in common: the verbal agreement of a sex act for an amount of money. Now I cant remember if the bust happens when they say yes and/or exchange the money.
What makes me most comfortable is talking as little as possible and keeping things strictly business. For example, my session would go like this:
First meet, small talk, hug and squeeze ass. I want ss/hh/hr, give money, get down to boxers, and let her remove it. LFK/DFK, play with her body for awhile until I decide to lay her back or she pushes me on my back. DATY/CBJ/BBBJ, positions, bust. If she just so happens to be a cop, what does she have on me?
Maybe I am being naive and have been lucky all this time.
What makes me most comfortable is talking as little as possible and keeping things strictly business. For example, my session would go like this:
First meet, small talk, hug and squeeze ass. I want ss/hh/hr, give money, get down to boxers, and let her remove it. LFK/DFK, play with her body for awhile until I decide to lay her back or she pushes me on my back. DATY/CBJ/BBBJ, positions, bust. If she just so happens to be a cop, what does she have on me?
Maybe I am being naive and have been lucky all this time.
From what I understand (from watching decoys at work and also what I read in newspaper article regarding the "Flush the Johns" bust) the decoy will not let you get too close before backup takes you down - so I would think if you got as far as "hug and squeeze ass" she almost certainly is a pay for play woman and not a cop.
That said I remember reading about one of the guys who walked into the room, sensed something wasn't right and said "never mind" (or some such - his only words) turned around and left the room. The backup jumped on him outside the room and arrested him.
I forgot how the case ended up (my fading memory says judge threw the case out) but in any case he got arrested, name put in ND, etc.
That said I remember reading about one of the guys who walked into the room, sensed something wasn't right and said "never mind" (or some such - his only words) turned around and left the room. The backup jumped on him outside the room and arrested him.
I forgot how the case ended up (my fading memory says judge threw the case out) but in any case he got arrested, name put in ND, etc.
There is a video online of a school principal meeting an escort. The hidden camera shows him making small talk, taking off his shirt, and touching the undercover cop. He might have thought he was safe but got arrested and charged additionally with 2 counts of battery because, "He just could not keep his hands off the officer."
But you guys are right. Whether the court finds you guilty or not guilty, it is their way of ruining your name by just putting you through the system as a john.
But you guys are right. Whether the court finds you guilty or not guilty, it is their way of ruining your name by just putting you through the system as a john.