Banned agencies/indies reviews:

Should Banned Agencies/Indy Reviews Be Allowed?

  • No Fucking Way

    Votes: 24 21.2%
  • Yes, But block Agency/Indy Names

    Votes: 3 2.7%
  • Yes, no blocking of Agency/Indy Names

    Votes: 20 17.7%
  • Yes, but don’t allow replies to thread

    Votes: 10 8.8%
  • Yes, but moderate replies (queued)

    Votes: 13 11.5%
  • Create separate thread area for banned agency/indy reviews

    Votes: 43 38.1%

  • Total voters
    113
#81
justme said:
I'm curious how you would feel if a chef (who charged $200 for dinner) felt the same way about reviews.

Would you expect the New York Times to respect that?


(* - I do think UTR's have this right, however)

Actually, your analogy is right on. Walk into a restaurant wearing no shoes. You'll be asked to leave. You'll also be asked to leave if you're abusive to the waiter, loud and obnoxious, etc...So how would you like to read a "Kenny's Restaurant sucks!" review by a guy who abused the waiter and got asked to leave?

Critics who review restaurants have an established base of dining knowledge and are accepted by the dining community to be worthy of reviewing. If not their articles are not read and they're canned.

But I have no idea who the guy is who's reviewing the girls. How can he review? Has he been at this game 1 month or 10 years? Is he a drug addict and strung out on heroine while writing it? Is he drunk and pissed while writing it? Is he simply an asshole who treated the girl poorly?

And let's stay on the restaurant analogy. You can walk into Burger King and with flip flops and a t-shirt and get a decent burger. But you won't get in the door of a good steak house dressed like that. These would be the guys seeing "4's and 5's" that expect the same treatment and service from "8's and 9's." But they get pissed when the waiter tell them they're not getting fillet for $5.

Reviews are 100% worthless unless it's a flat out "take the money and dive in the car" scam. But again, not to piss in TC's cornflakes, go ahead and post them. I think they're funny. It's even funnier to actually to have seen some of the girls who get trashed, let them know about the post and here their side of the story. Again, it couldn't POSSIBLY be true the a fair amount of these guys:

A: Treat the girls like shit
B: Expect too many deeds to be done on the 1st call.
C: Are flat out weird - almost scary to some girls.

It's nice that there's an community of intelligent centered guys out there who post on boards like this. It, however, may give some of you the illusion that most guys in this hobby are like that.
 

justme

homo economicus
#82
johnpet said:
It's nice that there's an community of intelligent centered guys out there who post on boards like this. It, however, may give some of you the illusion that most guys in this hobby are like that.
Oh, I got over that misconception about five years ago.

I understand that the 'quality' of the reviewer plays a role on the quality of the review. Your point is well taken re: assumptions we can make about professional critics. But what you're arguing is the efficacy of reviews, not their ethicacy. I've already agreed with you that reviews are less than useful to me for these and other reasons. What I am saying, however, is that a prostitute who makes herself available to the general public, even if she has a screening process, has not expectation of privacy when it comes to reviews.

We can make the restaurant metaphor tighter. What if a place contacted Zagats and asked to be removed from their books? Would you expect Zagats to respect that?

I don't particularly care for Zagats, but I'd be a bit suspicious of that kind of behavior.
 

Slinky Bender

The All Powerful Moderator
#83
johnpet said:
Reviews are 100% worthless unless it's a flat out "take the money and dive in the car" scam.
I think you underestimate the vetting process which goes on in the format where there aren't just reviews, but responses. One recent example is the Mary of CL thread.

But also, since I know that I've found more than one place and/or girl from reading reviews, which I had great experiences with and that I never would have found without reading some review, I can say for a fact that they aren't "100% worthless".
 
#84
johnpet said:
Actually, your analogy is right on. Walk into a restaurant wearing no shoes. You'll be asked to leave. You'll also be asked to leave if you're abusive to the waiter, loud and obnoxious, etc...So how would you like to read a "Kenny's Restaurant sucks!" review by a guy who abused the waiter and got asked to leave?

Critics who review restaurants have an established base of dining knowledge and are accepted by the dining community to be worthy of reviewing. If not their articles are not read and they're canned.

But I have no idea who the guy is who's reviewing the girls. How can he review? Has he been at this game 1 month or 10 years? Is he a drug addict and strung out on heroine while writing it? Is he drunk and pissed while writing it? Is he simply an asshole who treated the girl poorly?

And let's stay on the restaurant analogy. You can walk into Burger King and with flip flops and a t-shirt and get a decent burger. But you won't get in the door of a good steak house dressed like that. These would be the guys seeing "4's and 5's" that expect the same treatment and service from "8's and 9's." But they get pissed when the waiter tell them they're not getting fillet for $5.

Reviews are 100% worthless unless it's a flat out "take the money and dive in the car" scam. But again, not to piss in TC's cornflakes, go ahead and post them. I think they're funny. It's even funnier to actually to have seen some of the girls who get trashed, let them know about the post and here their side of the story. Again, it couldn't POSSIBLY be true the a fair amount of these guys:

A: Treat the girls like shit
B: Expect too many deeds to be done on the 1st call.
C: Are flat out weird - almost scary to some girls.

It's nice that there's an community of intelligent centered guys out there who post on boards like this. It, however, may give some of you the illusion that most guys in this hobby are like that.
You're getting somewhat closer to the issue now, but you're still not answering the question.

Should restaurant reviews be banned, just because YOU may find them worthless? Should restaurants be allowed to insist that they not be reviewed? Same question about movies. Should movie reviews be banned?

What about less formal review processes? If I want to go to a restaurant or a movie, and I know someone who has been, shouldn't I have the right to get his opinion, IF I WANT TO HEAR IT AND HE WANTS TO PROVIDE IT TO ME? That's what this board is.

Again, each of as the reader can decide for ourselves whether or not to read that review, and how much weight, if any, to give it.

If someone publishes a review as you described above, what is wrong with me deciding whether or not to read it?

You started by posting that reviews should be banned. Now you say you don't care whether they are posted or not, but only after a long diatribe that you think you what's best for all of us. You also seem to think that you "know" how most guys treat the girls. How? Because the girls tell you that? Isn't that a form of them reviewing the customers? Are you against that sort of thing? And how do you know the girls didn't show-up in flip-flops with stinky feet to the session?
 
#86
slinkybender said:
She has the right to ask her customers not to review her. She doesn't have the "right" to expect that anyone wouldn't use the review process to air any dissatisfaction they had with her service. BTW, what percentage of girls complain about the good reviews they get vs. the bad one's? I say it's decidedly the bad one's. and what I really don't like is when girls want good reviews, but get them from the guys who the give better service to (usually read "more acronyms"), and then the guys write a "trust me guys, she's great" review, and then some other guys on't get those same acronyms................... (of course, that's one of the reasons I sooooo hat those "trust me guys, she's great" ....... ummmmm..... "reviews". because it's not that you can't trust the guy the he had a good time. It's that it aids in girls giving non-uniformly good service and then blaming some customer for not having a good time with her).
Not to be argumentative, but would a possible remedy for this be that she adjusts her rate accordingly - i.e. give back some portion of the fee (not that THAT'S going to become a practice adopted by many pros).

Then again, this might bring us back to the a-la-carte menu (which I hate) rather than an all-inclusive fee.

Then again, I'm sure a large minority of pros out there price like the all-inclusive model, but still actually provide service a-la-carte. Which certainly helps to foster dissatisfaction in guys who 'know better'.

(Now that I look at it again, that's basicallly what you said- sorry for duplication.)
 
#87
Stood-up by an Escort?

I find Ma-Ling in the old banned list, but her posts don't label her handle as "banned"? I sat in a hotel parking lot for an hour last Friday trying to keep an appointment with one of her "perfect 10's". How do I warn others about somebody who's already banned?
 

Slinky Bender

The All Powerful Moderator
#88
These posts remind me of the time I was at Club Med speaking with some French children and telling them I couldn't talk to them because I didn't speak Fench......... in French.

The converse is when I see posters see a word is censored, and then purposely mis-type it to get around the censoring, and then are surprised at what happens next.
 
#90
slinkybender said:
The converse is when I see posters see a word is censored, and then purposely mis-type it to get around the censoring, and then are surprised at what happens next.
SB... sorry man... but I typed it 4 different ways just to make sure. Not once was it censored, I decided to spell it your way. Her handle does NOT say she's banned, I only found some obscure list in 2002 that she's on a banned list, which could have changed ten times over. Please remove my post if it offends.
 
#91
Ok, so lots of differing opinions on the subject. Here’s a few of my thoughts on this topic.

Reviews: If you don’t read them or pay much attention to them, no worries, skip over the threads. As been stated before, no one is forcing you to read anything. I do the same Underground threads, they’re not my thing, but that doesn’t mean other guys can’t read them if they want to. How many of you read every article on every page of a newspaper or magazine? Read whatever interest you.

Now should banned agency/indies reviews be allowed? My opinion is yes. We’re here on UG to find out info on these girls, good or bad. Most of us use this info to help us choose which girls we want to see. Unless you’re a complete newbie, no one here really just logs onto Eros or CL, find a girl they like, and book an appointment without checking her out in the usual sources. If you’re reading UG, then you obviously know about most of the other escort info/ads/review sites. There’s no way you’re not doing your homework on this girl before the appointment. Granted, some sites are total BS or reviews are greatly exaggerated but even then, you take those reviews with a grain of salt.

I think Julies was banned from the site, (or not banned but was shown the door) but there was still reviews and discussions of her girls. Most guys here were split over the quality (older vs. younger) of Julies girls. But it was agreed that most of her girls gave good, sometimes great service for the price, some notable exceptions were Bunny and Mika. Like BMM said, whether they were actual reviews or just discussions of the girls, that provided enough info for someone to decide if they wanted to see a certain Julies girl. OTOH, it also helped guys decide to not see certain girls. Some guys raved about Domino and Marilyn, but both really didn’t do anything for me, regardless of performance. Both were pushing 50, and had tongued more ass than a forest full of Charmin.

My opinion is that a review, good or bad, is the deciding factor for most guys before they see a provider. We’ve all seen the hot pictures of that visiting/new/old provider on Eros, say to ourselves, I wanna stick my cock in her, and her rate is what I’m willing to pay. But the lack of info on her makes you think it’s a Bait and Switch or a rip-off. So you post an ISO on her. The info and/or reviews that follows is what decides it. Am I saying that reviews are the be all and end all when it comes to deciding who to see? No, guys will ultimately choose who they want to see based on factors that matter to them, like looks or ethnicity, but for the most part, reviews will be a factor in that decision making process.

This brings us to a thornier issue. *** was banned for cheating Slinky and UG. Should we give them more “air time” by reviewing these girls. Ultimately that is up to Slinky and Allen and the operators of this board. But given the current state of affairs in this hobby of ours (I’m referring to the LE activity of late), guys are more likely to use a sure thing. ***, given all the infamy around it and its owner, does offer some great looking girls at a reasonable rate. But are we, as someone previously said in this thread, cutting off our noses to spite our faces? Guys will still see her girls even though the agency is banned. Without the UG shilling filter in place, most hobbyists will only have those other boards to search. And there isn’t too much objectivity over there. But with ***, there is also a wide range of their girls’ service levels. They have their stars, who are always booked on every tour, and they have their average performers, and they have their “one cup and out the door you go” girls. But you wouldn’t be able to tell that by reading the other boards. How often do you read or hear about the one-cuppers? All you ever hear about is the “legends” of ***. So any useful info about these girls are either censored or drowned out over there. That doesn’t really help much.

And while *** and its owner are banned from UG for good reason, what about the girls that work for her or other banned agencies? Are they being unfairly punished for the actions of the owner? They are the ones who are doing the actual grunt work (ok, let’s hear from the peanut gallery), fucking and sucking us everyday. Shouldn’t we praise the good one and shine a spotlight on the ones who don’t perform? I know, I know, good reviews will bring them more attention, more attention means they get busier, it’s a vicious cycle; but how many times after reading a BillF review of a Julie’s girl that you just wanted to get over there and try out the standing 69? Do reviews, of banned and non banned providers help weed out the poor performers?

So are we contributing to this, by not reviewing or discussing *** girls? Just to play Devil’s Advocate for a moment, who is on the losing end of this, *** or UG? *** is still in business, being banned from UG hasn’t really hurt their business (although their business model may have turned some guys off). And UG is still going strong (but we could always use more advertisers). But is the UG membership, posters and lurkers alike, at a disadvantage because we’re not getting all the info that we could?
 

Slinky Bender

The All Powerful Moderator
#92
fumpton said:
I think Julies was banned from the site, (or not banned but was shown the door)
Nope. Julie stormed off in a huff after some guys here made some comments about some of her "girls" and then called us "The Jerry Springer Show" on her own site, back channel, etc. But even she came back to post once in a while. I think sh's a great example of how much shit you can actually get away with and still not get banned (the biggest reason is that she always said it herself, and she never tried to "get away with" shit; never cheated us out of $, never posted disinformation (that I know of), never came on pretending to be someone else, etc.).
 
#93
Okay, I'm worried a little. I'm still pretty new at this, having lurked around for a couple of years but only very recently popped my commercial cherry, so to speak. The agency I went through is covered by **** , but I figured out who it was (a dicussion about Brandy & Daniella from *****). Does this mean said agency was banned? I thouhgt the * was to block free advertising..... does this mean there was a problem with the agency? It was cool by me...... what was the prob? YIKES!
 
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