2016 METS

Did the Mets have a good season. If they lose the wild card ... I will say no. The Yankees lost the wild card game last year and I say it was a bad year. Look the Mets and Yanks are in similar boats. The difference is that the Mets have rebuilt their team with good quality young pitching, The problem with that is .... pitching is frail and can let you down. I believe just about every one of those Mets pitchers have had some sort of arm surgery and none have been able to exceed 200 innings and 30 starts. What good is the pitching if it can't pitch? I guess time will tell.

Assman - every once in a while a wild card team will go far ... but ultimately wild card teams aren't going to go all the way.
If you consider all the injuries they have had and the fact that they have won 27 of their last 40 games to be in this position is quite remarkable. If they lose tomorrow night I still think they had a successful year. Bumgarner is a very good pitcher with excellent post season numbers. I am expecting this to be hard fought game for both teams. Hopefully the Mets will win.

Overall I think the Yankees had a much better season then many of the so called experts originally thought at the start of the year. They have what appears in this early junction to have some pretty good ballplayers and as a fan I think you should all be excited for the future. Objectively, I do believe the Mets are a better team at this point. As far as their starting pitchers are concerned, with exception of Syndergaard and the two rookies Gsellman and Lugo, everyone has had Tommy John surgery. The only pitches I am actually concerned about is Wheeler and Matz.

Last year both DeGrom and Harvey if you factor in the post season had pitched more than 200 innings. If the Mets manages to do well in this post season Syndergaard will have also pitched more than 200 innings. Last year DeGrom had 30 starts and Harvey 29. They had pitched 191 and 189 innings. Interestingly, in the National League there was only 6 pitchers with 200+ innings pitched only 4 above 208 and the American League had 10 pitchers with only 5 above 210. Pitchers are coddled today. Most teams place strict limitation on pitch counts not exceeding 100. How often do you hear about pitchers pitching a complete game? A lot of teams have 7, 8 and 9 inning specialists. Lets face it the 20 game winners and the 250+innings which was common place up to the start of the century. This year we had 7 pitchers in all of baseball with 18 or more wins; only 3 with 20+ wins. Only 5 pitchers had more than 225 innings. The game has changed!!!

I think wild card teams have had some level of success in the post season. The Giants in 2014 were a wild card team and they won the World Series.

I agree with you LISteve, pitchers are frail especially those that throw over 95+ mph which happen to be all of the young Mets pitchers. It does seem that those that throw hard are vulnerable to arm problems. The Mets can have a dominating team centered around their pitching IF they can keep everyone healthy. Syndergaard is the youngest and we got a taste of how great things could be last year when we ONLY had 3 of them pitching. Add in Matz, Wheeler, Lugo and Gsellman and it is hard not to be excited about the future. They have a lot of questions concerning there position players for next year but conceivably we can have a pretty good offensive team also.
 
The pitch count and innings limits make me wonder how sportswriters are going to be able to put through pitchers into the Hall with season wins of less than 15 games and no complete games. Especially in comparison to Koufax, Gibson, Marichal et al.
 
The Mets take a hit when you consider they play in an inferior league. The numbers prove that out. If the Mets played in the AL East they would finish beneath the Yankees. Plus next year the Yankees will show improvement. With the Mets ... it depends on the health of its pitchers. That has proven to be a major problem. Most of them could not finish the season .... you expect them to next year? Why?
 
How the hell do you figure that? The Mets had a better record than the Yankees. If the Mets played in the AL, they would have a DH and then they would be on an equal footing. You're argument is lame.

I'm also growing tired of Yankee fans coming on here and shitting all over the Mets' accomplishments. I was going to post this the other day, but then joeyboy came on and took what I thought was a very benevolent approach to the whole affair, so I let it go. But LISteve has repeatedly killed that goodwill, so here goes:
 
The Mets take a hit when you consider they play in an inferior league. The numbers prove that out. If the Mets played in the AL East they would finish beneath the Yankees. Plus next year the Yankees will show improvement. With the Mets ... it depends on the health of its pitchers. That has proven to be a major problem. Most of them could not finish the season .... you expect them to next year? Why?
Banacek said it best when comparing the AL to the NL in his post below. You have a right to your opinion about the Mets finishing beneath the Yankees if they were in their division. I do believe however if you take a non bias baseball fan or baseball people and ask them who is the better team this year the majority would say the Mets.

You are right that many of the Mets aces that they were relying on this year couldn't finish out the season. Harvey's medical procedure thoracic outlet syndrome others have had in the past and everyone who has had this procedure made it back and were productive. DeGrom had scar tissue removed from TJ surgery I think in 2010. There was no structural damage whatsoever to the Ulnar Nerve so there is no reason he won't be healthy next year. Matz as we all know recently had a bone spur removed so although he should be fine he somewhat a wild card as he hasn't managed to be healthy since his arrival last year. Like Matz, Wheeler can also be viewed as wild card having missed 2 seasons. The latest set back is due to a flexor muscle strain.He had an MRI to his shoulder and elbow and was given great news as he has no ligament damage. The injuries described above shouldn't prevent any of these pitchers from coming back next year and starting the season on time. With the exception of Harvey, all of these guys have had less than 3 years of major league experience. There pitching stats however during there short career thus far reflect pitchers with a great deal of talent.

Fortunately for the Mets they don't need any of these guys to make 30 or more starts next year because of all the good arms they have in their system. By the way today 32 / 33 starts assuming a 5 man rotation is a full pitchers season. If you think in today's game many managers try and get their starters to go at least 6 innings which amounts to 192 - 198 innings respectively which is below your 200 innings per season argument.
 
The Mets would not spend to get a decent DH and they would play someone lame there. You simply can't dismiss the difference in the NL East as compared to the AL East. Sorry ... I know you don't want to hear it. But I am giving you the truth. The Mets had a decent year ... but unless they make it to the NLCS you can't consider this a good year. The Mets pitching staff is in a shambles. They will not make it through next year either. Sorry. Yankees are up and coming. Mets are slip sliding and getting arm operations.

I did get a laugh on the shirts - funny.

I do apologize. I know it is not nice to be a realist on your team when it is trying to win. But if you look at your team realistically you won't be as disappointed when you eventually lose. Go get your wild card t-shirt and enjoy the night.
 
I like the back and forth ... it is fun as long as it doesn't get nasty. Look ... we played in a world series and it was a blowout. We proved our point. Hopefully the Giants won't roll over like they did in 2000!!
 

Mr. Wiggley

But what do I know I'm a bad guy
I have always enjoyed it as well just get tired of the Met fans acting like they are guaranteed multiple championships when they haven't won shit yet.
That all said they did a terrific job this year.
 
The Yankees had a dynasty several times. That is behind them now. They creamed the Mets in the only Series confrontation. That is behind them now. The Mets won a division and played in the Series last year. The Yanks won a wildcard spot and lost the playoff game last year. That is behind them now. This year, the Yanks finished out of the running while the Mets won the first wildcard spot. That is the present. But still you persist in tainting that.
You also make assumptions with no basis in fact, such as the one about the Mets not willing to spend on a DH. They spent on Cespedes. They spent on Bruce. What makes you think they wouldn't spend on a DH? And why is this even a discussion, since it's actaully a non-issue in a non-DH league?
 
Syndergaard pitched a great game!!! Bumgarner also pitched a great game!!! Bumgarner has proven that he is the best postseason pitcher ever!!! His numbers are better than Gibson, Koufax and Rivera all hall of fame pitchers or soon to be hall of fame. Familia has saved 94 games over the past 2 seasons and has great stuff. It was pretty clear in that 9th inning last night that he didn't have his good sinker working for him. That said, his WHIP numbers weren't that great this year and I agree that he scares the s**t at me at times. When he has command of his pitchers he is tough guy to hit. In that spot last night, I would have preferred to have seen Salas come in. Since com1ng over to the Mets from the Angels, he had pitched to a low ERA and WHIP. Oh well!!! I am confident that we will be back next year but they must retain Cespedes.
 
This is another reason why the Mets future is kind of cloudy. Armando Familia can't win any big games. Mets need to get a new closer if they want to win it all.
He's saved big games. Just not big postseason ones. Guess that added pressure is too much. Also, I think he's better in actual save situations as opposed to a hold scenario like last night.
 
He's saved big games. Just not big postseason ones. Guess that added pressure is too much. Also, I think he's better in actual save situations as opposed to a hold scenario like last night.
Agreed!!! That is why I said I would have preferred Salas in the 9th, I just didn't spell out my reasoning. But your right his approach in a save situation appears differently then when he comes into a tie game.
 
Familia's numbers are certainly not the best - http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/closers - but he did lead the majors in saves with 51. He got the job done enough to be a regular-season closer. The Mets will not be looking to replace him. They have enough worries over whether Cespedes will stay and what to do about Walker's walking away for free agency. Not to mention the majority of the starting rotation on the mend. Plus seeing how Wright heals and Duda's progress. With Familia, Reed, and Salas as closers, that seemed like the one area with no concern.
 
This is another reason why the Mets future is kind of cloudy. Armando Familia can't win any big games. Mets need to get a new closer if they want to win it all.
Looking back at some of the shit you wrote last year, you are one little crybaby anit-Met, anti-NL, disgruntled, unhappy Yankee fan. Most of your posts in Sports are knocks on other teams, leagues, etc.
Last year at this time, you said it was highly unlikely the Mets would make it to the Series. They did.
You also said they wouldn't win more than one championship. They won the top wildcard spot this year. And lost, just like the Yankees last year, the playoff game. On the other hand, the Yanks didn't go as far this year. So, the Mets fell from NL Champs to NL top wildcard. The Yanks went from wildcard to nothing. But you never acknowledge that.
Bottom line is that the Mets fought their way back from an injury ladden season after being under .500 in August to clinching the top wildcard. All this without their captain and first baseman for most of the season, without their ace pitchers for a good part of the season, and without their sluggers for some of the season. Cespedes, Walker, Cabbrerra, Flores were each on the DL at one point. Yet the reserves still managed to come through and 39 players combined to give them the best MLB record over the final weeks of the season.
 
Look .... I know Mets fans don't like to hear the truth. They are in an inferior league .... winning the wild card and losing is not a good year. I think it just goes to show that last year was probably a fluke. The Yankees have not been a good team since 2009. However ... they got their shit together when they sold off this year. They are now headed in the right direction. The Mets are NOT ... all of their starters have arm problems. Now it is apparent that their closer can't close the big games. Now what do they do? They have to hope that their starters bounce back. There is no big free agents available.

So ... I will answer your claims. YES - I am anti-Met. All real Yankee fans are anti-Met and vice versa. If you tell me that you root for all New York teams ... you aren't a real fan! I am not a crybaby. I have 27 championships. I am content! I am anti-NL ... it has been an inferior league for many years now. That may change ... but not for a while. I can't help making negative posts about the Mets ... there really isn't any positive things to say about them. Besides ... not all my posts are negative ... just most of them!
 
LISteve how are the Yankees headed in the right direction? By trading Beltran, Miller and Chapman? What did they get in return that makes them a better team? Aroid choosing to retire early which by the way the Yankees are still indebted to him. Since in your opinion the Mets are such a bad team why don't you tell us position by position how the Mets players compare to the Yankees. With all the injuries this year to our starting rotation who had a better starting and bullpen staff this year, the Yankees or the Mets? Look at the numbers!!!

Like Banacek said in years past the Yankees had periods that they were a dynasty the last being 1996 - 2000. But the reality, is your praise of the 27 championships only 5 has occurred in the last 37 years. I don't see how the Yankees will compete against the Red Sox's, Blue Jays and Orioles next year. The Yankees are headed in the right direction? I don't see it. They are pretty far off from being a playoff team.
 
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