The official return of Kelly Wynters as an Independent

#1
Hey Guys! I am now available for outcall appointments in Brooklyn and Manhattan until November 26th. (From the 27th on, I will be available in Manhattan only for incall and outcall appointments in Midtown West.)

Just a reminder:
I have blonde hair, blue eyes, 5'6" (with very long legs), 115 lbs, 36C-24-34, full lips, soft silky skin, a perfect smile, and a tummy so flat and tight you could bounce a quarter off of it! I provide ultimate GFE+ service

To book an appointment, please call or text me at 917-406-8049.

I do not ustalize my e-mail

Kelly Wynters

www.KellyWynters.escortsite.com



 
#5
Ladies & Gentlemen,

I can't write an extended review but I just saw her and she is AMAZING. She would not have been happy at CT, nothing against them but she's a unique experience. Beautiful, very sensual, very very skilled. It is 2 frickin AM and I'm tired and I have to get up at 6 but I'll post a full review later. In the meantime take my word for it get in on this before she gets too busy.
 
#7
Welcome Back

I agree Kelly is a great girl and we would have loved having her. She is a nice person and I wish her much luck. You are right she is not for the CT she is a hot indie.
 
#8
Much Love to CT

Let me take this opportunity to publicly state that CT is fabulous and no disrespect at all is meant by saying Kelly would not be right. There are different types and there is room for all of us.
 
#9
I want to thank you for your kind words and well wishes

I agree Kelly is a great girl and we would have loved having her. She is a nice person and I wish her much luck. You are right she is not for the CT she is a hot indie.
J from CT,

You've said many kind words about me (in a couple threads, actually), and I hadn't had internet access until recently, however, I would like to personally thank you for that and wishing me good luck and success. I would also like to wish you the same in return, and more!

Peace & Serenity,
Kelly
 
#10
Ladies & Gentlemen,

I can't write an extended review but I just saw her and she is AMAZING. She would not have been happy at CT, nothing against them but she's a unique experience. Beautiful, very sensual, very very skilled. It is 2 frickin AM and I'm tired and I have to get up at 6 but I'll post a full review later. In the meantime take my word for it get in on this before she gets too busy.
Luciano,

You're such a nice guy and I really hope you didn't get discouraged by all that negativity that occurred in this thread a few days ago (but is now gone, as it should be). I know you felt attacked and I really hope you don't leave UG because of that, like you mentioned.

A year ago, Escort King wrote me a short but very good review, nonetheless, and he was accused of being a shill. And quite a few years back, BMM (or BigMadM) wrote me a slammin' review and he, too, was accused of being a shill (and he's a long-time hobbyist who's written many, many reviews). As a matter of fact, each one of these three reviews (yours included) were written about a first-time encounter with me, so it doesn't seem too likely that the person writing the review would be a shill IMO.

Anyway, I hope the negative bandwidth that occurred here in this thread did not discourage you from writing the "extended, full review" you spoke of writing (which, if you do, probably should be a seperate thread, I think, but don't quote me on that -- you may know better than I). I would just hate to lose out because some guys on the board pissed you off is all.

To me, it appears you have a lot to offer. I read your review of someone at CT recently and it would be a shame to lose a great contributor to this board (even if you hadn't posted in quite a few years because you moved away). Glad you are back, even if you're only in town periodically.

xoxo,
Kelly
 
#11
Chris 888
Malissa4U
Samuking
Puffin

Just want to, personally, say thanks to each and every one of you for your warm welcome and kind words. For the most part, I feel my return has been a positive experience on this board and am glad I've come back. It's good to be back!

xoxo,
Kelly
 
#12
From CT

J from CT,

You've said many kind words about me (in a couple threads, actually), and I hadn't had internet access until recently, however, I would like to personally thank you for that and wishing me good luck and success. I would also like to wish you the same in return, and more!

Peace & Serenity,
Kelly

You are such a beautiful woman and we would have loved having you , good luck and have fun making all your fans happy, call sometime to say hello.
 

billyS

Reign of Terror
#13
Kelly,
Sorry for bringing negativity to your thread. FWIW we met at the UG party and had two pleasant conversations. I remember being surprised how much prettier you are in person, your pictures don't seem to do you justice.
My accusations of shilling were not meant to be a reflection on you or your services. It was directed at the style of the so-called 'review', the lack of any real information a hobbiest could use in making a decision and the catch phrases like In the meantime take my word for it get in on this before she gets too busy.. Well this guy hasn't posted in seven years so why should anyone just take his word for it. In fact I'd say there has been significant turnover on the board since you were first introduced by April as a member of CLPC as a *blonde Jewish Goddess.

*If memory serves me right that is how you were initially marketed.
 
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#14
Kelly,
Sorry for bringing negativity to your thread. FWIW we met at the UG party and had two pleasant conversations. I remember being surprised how much prettier you are in person, your pictures don't seem to do you justice.
My accusations of shilling were not meant to be a reflection on you or your services. It was directed at the style of the so-called 'review', the lack of any real information a hobbiest could use in making a decision and the catch phrases like In the meantime take my word for it get in on this before she gets too busy.. Well this guy hasn't posted in seven years so why should anyone just take his word for it. In fact I'd say there has been significant turnover on the board since you were first introduced by April as a member of CLPC as a *blonde Jewish Goddess.

*If memory serves me right that is how you were initially marketed.
Indeed, I was marketed similarly to that (I believe it was actually as the "nice Jewish girl from next door").

Anyway, so I guess what I'm really wondering then is what exactly does a shill mean?? I'd appreciate being enlightened. Thanks.
 

billyS

Reign of Terror
#15
Anyway, so I guess what I'm really wondering then is what exactly does a shill mean?? I'd appreciate being enlightened. Thanks.
A shill is a guy who promotes a girl because he is getting something out of it, usually freebies to post good reviews or is connected to the girl, like he is her pimp. Usually a 'shill' type review is spotted on this board right away because the guy will gush about the girl without giving any specifics like price or type of service. He will usually say things like, 'Hurry up and see her, this won't last' or 'Treat her nice, she is a gem'. You mentioned BMM and yes, unfortunately he was accused of shilling back then because certain agencies would give him first crack at girls knowing he would review and knowing he had a following here. He was actually very honest with his reviews but this is a tough board and we tend to keep people honest.
 
#16
Kelly even though we have never met, all I hear are good things about you as a person and your service. I only questioned the "review" because the person hasn't posted in 7 years all of a sudden posts about your return. As Billy pointed out, there wasn't any details in the review at all. Just I had a good time and treat her great.

Anyway, welcome back. I wish you nothing but the best
 

Slinky Bender

The All Powerful Moderator
#17
There are actually 3 types, and we're missing one: the "endorsement". An endorsment can be honest, but it is to hard to distinguish from a shill post so on this board they tend to get jumped on. One reason is that endorsements really aren't any better than endorsments in other venues: like when som professional athlete endorses Wheaties. Everyone knows that Wheaties endorsement is BS and just because it's from a pro athelete, some poeple go buy th eproduct under the misguided notion that somehow the pro athelete is claiming they got where they are from eating Wheaties. of course, thinking people immediately realise that's nonsense. Similarly, it is not only engrained in UG culture to show disdain for endorsements, but board management has in the past told posters that endorsments weren't really a welcome thing here:

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?p=436304&highlight=endorsement#post436304

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21617&highlight=endorsement

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?p=637692&highlight=endorsement#post637692


The funny thing is that you can have reviews (as opposed to endorsments) which are "shill posts" and endorsements which are not shill posts. But in general, the reason endorsements are seen so readily at postential shill posts is that at least with a review, you can get a better handle on what you percieve as the 'veracity quotient", plus looking at say, a dozen reviews by a poster gives you amuch better feeling for that same "veracity quotient" than looking at a dozen flat endorsements.

Lastly, everyone knows by this point that we do not allow ad posting for anyone but paid advertisers. In a sense, all endorsements really are ad posts to a large extent. So, when an advertisers "endorses" themselves, it's all pretty much above board. But when a poster makes a simple endorsement (as opposed to a review) it can be tantamount to an ad post made by a non-advertiser. It's also well known that even "true" endorsments haver historically been at the behest of, or certainly specifically for the benefit of, some service provider.

OTOH, there is one place where endorsment posts are and have always been accepted here: if someone writed a review (either postive or negative) and other posters write posts like "I concur with poster xyz about that review", that is also to a large extent an endoresment post, but generally seen as a horse of a different color.


Now, as far as what a shill is in general:
Wiki:
"A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims. Shills are often employed by confidence artists. In the UK the term plant is also used.

Shilling is illegal in many circumstances and in many jurisdictions because of the frequently fraudulent and damaging character of their actions. However, if a shill does not place uninformed parties at a risk of loss, but merely generates "buzz", the shill's actions may be legal. For example, a person planted in an audience to laugh and applaud when appropriate (see "claque"), or to participate in on-stage activities as a "random member of the audience", is a type of legal shill.

"Shill" can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, they would be an implicit "shill" for the industry at large, as their income is tied to its prosperity."
 
#19
good, then I'm not a "shill"

My post was based solely on my impressions of the experience with Kelly. I have never received anything from anyone and I just met her. Many of the folks on this board seem to know her better than I do.

Look, I started in the bad old days when like 50% of appointments were dodgy or cash and dash. I know the value of accurate reviews and what they have done for all of us.

Kelly is well attested which is why I saw her. When I was here last, we used to be kind of lighthearted and post all kinds of stuff, not just grim "just the facts m'am" critical reviews. Whatever, I'll adapt.

I have a bunch of reviews to write, some of them more critical. I'll get around to it when the civvie world lets me.
 

billyS

Reign of Terror
#20
When I was here last, we used to be kind of lighthearted and post all kinds of stuff, not just grim "just the facts m'am" critical reviews.
By 'here' I take it you mean UG. You were only here a few months before me. I hardly remember it as being light hearted. In fact with guys like Tankcommander, Guy Catelli, Phantom and a more rabid Ozzy I would say the board had much more of an edge.

But, welcome back. I look forward to reading your reviews.
 
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